Do you find polytheistic religions such as Buddhism and Hinduism to be more accepting of other views and beliefs, than monotheistic religions such as Christianity and Islam?

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Do you find polytheistic religions such as Buddhism and Hinduism to be more accepting of other views and beliefs, than monotheistic religions such as Christianity and Islam?
Kristal_Rose
              I find hinduism much more open minded at both the organizational level and personal;
              buddhists on the other hand seem to be less, but that may be a reflection of my own scrutiny
              of them. Hinduism (in the Spanda Karikas ) has the only model of reality I've found that
              explains all others. The christians I meet that have an immense depth of study and
              consciousness can relate to other vocabularies, but those who have a recent or no rapport
              with god can be a bit dogmatic.
Kristal_Rose replies to lara
              Ultimately hinduism isn't really polytheistic either.
lara replies to Kristal_Rose
              but it *is* theistic, isn't it?
topper replies to Kristal_Rose
              I'm really curious that you've found buddhists to be more closed, that hasn't been my own
              experience, (I consider myself a buddhist and spend a fair amount of time with other
              buddhists and people considering that path) . I do know one or two very opinionated
              buddhists, but then again there are opinionated people everywhere. I only know one hindu
              personally and she and I have never talked about our respective spiritual beliefs on that
              level.
Kristal_Rose replies to topper 1.04.23
              Most of the Buddhists I run into informally are great. My primary step-father was a baptist
              preacher who became a buddhist monk. But the last experience I had in quite a while formally
              was hanging out with a group of the Nichiren sect (Nam myo-Ho ren-Gyé Kyo) that
              concentrated on the 2nd, 14th, & 16th sutras. They considered every other sect evil enemies
              and other religions as hopelessly misinformed. Having ones wishes granted seemed to be their
              surface marketing. There were people there that experienced an understanding of some
              really high stuff. The energy was ultimately reminiscient of platinum shooting-stars in the
              void. Not for me at all. I don't even recall now just how, but I found that the sutra at a high
              level of understanding said much the same stuff as the trinity, the guna aspects of the
              spanda karikas, and the top triad of the kaballistic tree of life. Other Buddhists seem to have
              the most intense spectral energy I've met. There shakti is as pure and high frequency as a
              bell veering towards magnetism, though I have seen one able to sculpt nice airy colorful
              auras. So what is your experience? more below..
Kristal_Rose replies to lara 1.04.23
              It is monistic meaning basically there is one God substrate for all that is happening including
              thoughts and the appearance of matter. Abhinavesa is the term for our ignorance of this
              which seems to make a creation perceivable. Christianity tends to be dualistic at the popular
              level of interpretation, meaning God has become creator and creation, the latter of which
              contains us. Jesus was an exception to this rule.
              My guru quoted many great saints from Jesus to Buddha. She taught that they experienced
              the oneness of God as could we all. 'God dwells within you as you' and 'See god in each other'
              were the main paths to learn. They used every technique in the book but didn't lie about them
              being merely techniques. Bhakti yoga for instance is pure hearted devotion, particularly to
              your guru, but ultimately they teach it was God in you that created the intermediate step of
              having a guru appear on your behalf. A shakti-pat guru has the capacity to initiate a kundalini
              awakening. In my (not uncommon) case, it meant that within 3 weeks my mundane universe was
              conflicted with the appearance of several other dimensions of reality. It has taken me a
              decade to sort it all out. Other religions tend to have you rise the through the levels gradually
              instead of starting out at the top and going mad for awhile. I hear there is one group called
              the Spiritual Emergence Network that rescues people that have this awakening isolated from
              any background teaching from being locked away as schizophrenics. The closest I can explain
              the system is like a form of multiple existentialism. Since all dimensions are possible within
              that, the hindu pantheon can exist in much as the same fashion as jesus, but that primarily
              serves as model for own divinity, though I do see some of the original pantheon manifest
              occasionally. The spanda karikas is an ancient text on how our own thought return manifest
              about us. At one level it is much like the logos of western religion, the voice of god manifest in
              people and radios and birds and sirens. We personally mesh like clock gears with reality such
              that we have a personal synchronicity that speaks to our karma. High beings attract other
              experienced enlightened beings, mechanical consciousness tends to only encounter mechanical
              consciousness. I have found that although I am not God, God takes whatever form I believe
              god takes. At one time I believed in a wrathful God, and that was what I talked with and was
              subject to. Basically whatever I am ready to believe in comes true within a day or so. What I
              still do not yet know is how are these thoughts and desires of mine being created. I know they
              are a manifestation of God in timing with what I will experience in Gods creation. I have many
              surprises; I've been in realms where I was at the forefront of the whole script, seeing every
              detail of sound and speech in advance, even foreign languages I did not understand, but it
              wasn't very fun. When your mind is there with the creating, you can't react in delight. I take
              that back, I've done that too. I guess the only thing you can't do is perceive yourself as
              unique individual instead of the consciousness of the whole play. Still something akin to
              loneliness has me stay in a realm where it's me and other people, or me and god, and not 'I'
              alone.
lara replies to Kristal_Rose
              "I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together."
              -The Beatles
Kristal_Rose replies to lara
              Words are filling up like endless rain into a papercup.
              One thing I can tell you is you got to be free.
TheBlackAdder
              The general focus of modern polytheistic religions is nothing, and often they focus on the
              nothing rather than anything at all, including good, godly thoughts. Christianity and Islam are
              different in that they call the worshipper to focus on God, His creation, and the power He has
              to change lives. By this simple fundamental difference, monotheistic, YHWH based, religions
              are more accepting in that they call the practitioner of the religion to be more than they
              started off being, rather than calling the practitioner to not only end this life and make as
              little difference as possible, but to live such a life so bereft of God, that the goal is to never
              live again, thus ending the cycle of life and achieving "Nirvana".
Kristal_Rose replies to TheBlackAdder 01.04.25
              Wow, a harsh criticism, possibly true depending upon what you mean. What sort of group are
              you referring to? Eastern, New-age, Pagan?
              You sound bitter like you ran into a Kali mandir group or something? Dissimilar yet comparable
              examples can be found in christianity as well. What about so many jehavahs witnesses and
              baptists and such bent on avoiding earthly pleasure while waiting for heaven. It can even be
              argued that christianity is evil in the way that it 's doctrine teaches that god and man are
              separate. I find it interesting that monotheism usually means dualism, while polytheism oftem
              means monism. I do agree that the thought that "we are one with the infinite control-flow yet
              our egos are too screwed up to see that" is more likely to produce suicide or lack of
              compassionate service than the concept that "myriad angelic and demonic forces are at work
              swaying people who need to correct god's lack of involvement in creation by doing service
              which might help make them candidates for selection into heaven, wheras suicide is
              punishable." It turns out however that suicide even in pure existentialism causes hell upon the
              seeker, and selfless karma turns out to be great concept for creating heaven. Only the flavor
              and vocabulary seem to differ. There are good and evil variants in all faiths.
              I think the acid tests for a faith are: will it get you closer to understanding the divine
              plan/self/creator, will it make gods creations a better places to live in, will it be eternal. This
              makes me at odds with nihilism including the void and armageddon, though ultimately even
              these would be subsets of a much greater reality in my book.

              All told, I find all religions and their adherants to be about equally qualitatively
              Mono/poly-theistic and monistic/dualistic, and equally likely to create internal and external
              heavens and hells, in spite of their different philosophys and doctrines at several levels of
              written, implied, and transcendentally experiential levels.
              I believe all paths are laden with pitfalls and lessons to be learned which will change ones
              initial understanding. Also, since I believe there is nothing here but God, ultimately all paths
              will lead back to God. In light of that, what works here and now is therefore more serious.
              Because of this, I can appreciate the well intended works of aethiests, though I would
              certainly prefer that these people were aware of powers they were unconsciously
              manifesting around them for better or worse. Nurturing people should become more
              empowered and rewarded to better carry out the work. Those with bad natures, I would
              prefer to have keep their karma to themselves until they learn from it.

              I would still like you to elaborate more on your comparative personal experience.
heyzeus1 replies to topper 
oh yeah, are you sure its not a non existing state of theism?

topper replies to heyzeus1 
I'm not sure of anything. I'm just wandering down this path because it feels like a good path to be

Kristal_Rose replies to topper 
I was just admiring a comment you made a couple years ago about giving up telekenisis to dance in
the waterfalls. You were ahead of me on that one, though I don't consider my studies a waste. I'm
glad to hear about Mahayana. My step-father was Zen. The nichiren considered mahayana the most
evil, yet I found compassion curiously lacking amongst their priorities. On top of that, suspiciously,
their meeting announcer always called at the most inopportune times like just after I'd fallen
asleep or climbed in a bath. They also seemed to have layers of lies in their program, though I know
many faiths have some level of esotericism. There was some good too, but then I have a knack for
even finding that amongst murderers and dark pagan festivals.
Kristal_Rose replies to micah 
Topper's got some immense wisdom here, even if I'm delighted with Heyzeus's response (&
toppers reply).
It's all God. Even you. Ultimately you can't lose, but having a win-win path along the way makes it
worthwhile. 
topper replies to Kristal_Rose 
I had not read at all about the nichiren until you posted this. I looked them up and found that they
are a sect that believes all other sects are wrong, they are the "True Buddhism," and they blamed
the economic and political problems that Japan was having at the time on "false religious practices. "
(13th century - also, roughly, when Christianity came to Japan, interestingly enough). The founder is
described in Britannica as a "militant prophet." So much for acceptance. 

I guess the term "Buddhism" is too broad to make categorical statements such as the one this
survey was based on. I don't know enough about the other religions listed to know if they, too, have
such a huge range in them. Britannica, by the way, describes Shinto as polytheistic, but not
Buddhism.

topper replies to Enheduanna 
Is Japan considered more of a Buddhist culture? or a Shinto culture? Both? Neither? Near as I can
tell they both came to Japan around the same time, and Shinto has the most adherents. When did
the shame stuff get so big in Japan? was it before or after Christianity came there? I really
haven't studied Japanese culture much at all, but I'm a bit curious.
Enheduanna replies to topper 
I think Shinto was there first. I'd say it's pretty well mixed with both, and it had occurred to me
that the shame aspects of the culture could also be linked to Shinto. But the thing is that the
honor-shame stuff stuck around after Buddhism got there as well. 
I think there are other Buddhist, as well as Hindu, cultures which have an honor-shame ethic--I
believe China does, at least to some extent. And India, the home of Hinduism and the birthplace of
Buddhism, for example, is also a highly stratified caste society (even now, when the caste system is
supposedly illegal). Which indicates to me that Hinduism certainly isn't inherently tolerant either.
Enheduanna replies to topper 
(I think the shame aspects of Japanese culture were there before Christianity got there. And
Christianity hasn't taken hold in Japan the way it has in other places.)

Kristal_Rose replies to topper 1.04.29
My theory: Japanese shame is a much different beast. Although the gentlemans ethic existed in
royal europe houses and templar knights and such, christianity came to japan aboard the
machiavellian mercantilists ethic. Catholic guilt-shame was about feeling humility in general, where in
japan it was more of an honor-disgrace tied in with representing your ancestors and such. It was
called 'losing face' which implies more ones role than an internal distress. That sort of collective
mind in which society is more important than the individual to an extent that one might commit
hari-kari did not come from reformation or rennaissance europe mentality. Japan did not have the
land mass to support banishment of outcasts.
As to the nichiren buddhist group.. They do bear something in common with christians in that they
are founded on an air of persecution, though rather than going for martyrdom, they seem to despise
liberated aristocracy. Clinging to an identification with persecution doesn't seem too healthy to me.
I think their disputes are more political than theosophical, much like protestants, anglicans,
catholics, and such. On the other hand, since they seem to focus so much on personal worldly
attainment, perhaps it is with good reason that they had a history of finding themselves in jails. They
are still outlawed in asia I believe, also like the church of scientology is in parts of europe, again, for
their very machiavellian stance. After learning so much wisdom through one of their teachers, I
finally discovered just how satanic they are, although they share some of the same idealism that
created hierarchies of angels.

Kristal_Rose replies to Enheduanna 
We have a caste system in the US too, it's just not as transparent as one fortified by birth and
geagraphy, and you are allowed to change caste if you can find a way. A great example of it is paying
for education with local property taxes. Many people in wealthy neighborhoods are horrified by the
thought that children of the ignorant poor might attend the schools that their tax dollars pay for.
My landlord is at work gradually cleansing our building of the lower class element. I live just a block
south of the 10 freeway in LA,CA,US. Sociologists claim very few people make it across that
economic border. The border is even usually distinguishable by the billboards, in one direction it
says 'SHOP', in the other it says 'GO TO JAIL'. worse, they seem to say 'die'. Most of the ads
look like caskets, syringes, abortions, etc.' and in the other direction you have the Seinfeld cast
saying "We've moved", and the poppin-fresh dough-boy advertising 'White'. My building here in the
center of LA's bermuda triangle is tri-racial.

Enheduanna replies to Kristal_Rose 
Oh, believe me, I wasn't trying to say that the US is any better. I was just arguing against
romanticising.
TheBlackAdder replies to Kristal_Rose 
I don't speak of a personal experience, nor do I speak from an emotional standpoint, but rather
from a logical analysis and in-depth study of the practice of various religions. Also, Jehovah’s
Witnesses are not a Christian group, as defined as one that believes in the divinity of the man,
Jesus Christ. Baptists are only Christian so far as the believe that Christ is divine, for they set
aside many of the staple tenants of Christianity in an attempt to compensate for what seems to be
an inability on the Bible's part to explain away the workings of God on Earth. But theology isn't the
issue here. The cornerstone of all major religions is prayer and meditation. Whatever you interpret
God to be is beside the point. The basic goal of prayer in Eastern and New Age meditation is to
empty your mind, focusing on nothing at all, forcing away the good with the bad, where the goal of
the Christian prayer is to fill your mind with thoughts of majesty, glory, and the power of God until
"your heart is glad", and to ultimately know God better on a personal level. This very basic goal in
prayer sees it's true ends in the goal of the religion in which it is practiced. Eastern and New Age
religions proudly claim an end to the cycle of pain and life, graduating to exactly what, I don't know;
Christianity proudly claiming the end result of a faithful life to be a life everlasting, given to the
practitioner, solely by God, to live here, on an Earth remade by the hand of God, to abide here with
God forever. I am not at all claiming that Christian spirituality, as can be observed by mainstream
Christians, is in any way an example of what the Bible calls Christians to be. I firmly believe that
most Christians have no idea what it is to pray and to know the will of God as expressed directly to
them through His Holy Spirit. I feel very confident in saying this about the freaks you see on TV
speaking as spokesman for a “religious right”, or some other politically motivated group, claiming
they have the interests of mainstream Christians in mind when wielding there political might at any
cause that seems moral and right. Surely it is true that the deep focus that Eastern, New Age, and
Pagan religions have on spirituality and prayer might make them seem more open-minded and free,
but under closer examination, monotheistic religions, such as Christianity, are the most open-minded,
simply by the virtue of the relationship this type of religion calls it’s practitioner to have with God. 

Kristal_Rose replies to TheBlackAdder 
Transparent anyhow.. :-)
Let me exclaim the virtues of both sides of the same coin going in the same direction as far as the
meditation goes. What you say is simultaneously true and false to some extent. I'l put an Eastern
emphasis on it, as you have done for the western. I do commend you on what you're trying to do. The
goal of emptying your mind has the same goals of knowing god better and making your heart glad
(usually). Making complicated prayers creates complicated events in your life, and one might realize
amongst all that diversity that their prayers have even been answered. When one has simpler
meditations, for instance group praise, one might have a better chance at recognizing how god
reflects that devotion. Clearing the mind has two purposes: removing the clutter so one can
appreciate the divinity around them, whethar that be the presence of the holy ghost, or the smell of
the roses; and stopping reality to the point that one discovers that their thoughts are one with the
mind of god, and that as they start to have thoughts again, a similar reality surrounds them. Anyone
with wisdom or common sense, once they realise the power of prayer in creating their reality, should
only wish to create the most divine and joyous experience about them, ultimately leading a life that
christianity would have them more ignorantly attempt from the start. My guru taught about 16
forms of yoga, some primary ones being bakti - love and devotion, seva - selfless service, kriya -
burning away ignorance, and hatha - being good to the body. The spanda karikas is no different than
the logos, although the bible doesn't try to explain any physics of that. The bible has unfortunately
been watered down for public consumption by administrators. The jewish high priests had this
knowledge in several texts that explained the physics of consciousness not too disimilarly from that
also taught in eastern faiths today. The popes and anglican kings were choosy about what got
published and what stayed in the scroll vaults (though I think JPII's a good guy). JP's learning and
contributing to God's evolving story just like even the most advanced of beings in communication
with God. As I said, eastern polytheistic isn't ultimately polytheistic, the goal taught is to find the
one mind. Paganism might be, and satanicism certainly is, teaching to lean on any force, self separate
from god, or satan, that is merely a subset, or as they would say, divorced from the creator. I
don't know enough to really speak about buddhism. My (step)father was a baptist preacher who
studied several faiths like hinduism before finally becoming a zen buddhist monk, and seemingly
coming alive with with a fresh glowing zeal for life he had not shown earlier. That and the good vibes
I get from some buddhists suggest to me that it must be a viable path too. Besides, I can't imagine
god stranding the people of an entire continent for millenia. On the first night of my own awakening
I had a strange experience. A week later I visited Guru Mayi's ashram in Oakland, and one of the
monks I was hoping to ask, unprovoked, told me that I went to a place the buddhists call the void. It
wasn't a place I'd want to return to other than to understand it better, but it did demarck my
journey from one realm into the next. It was like seeing the light at the end of the tunnel without
the light. Spirits wailed past me. At the same time, from the base of my spine came a golden aura
sensation and I was in a state of blissful serenity, the thought was rolling through my head that I
was dying and that it was nothing to worry about, by the time the aura crowned my head I would be
gone, then my standard intellect consciousness started to kick in and I said "holy sh_t" and jumped
out of bed to have a cigarette and calm my nerves. Every day got far more intense from there on
out. Within two weeks I was developing all sorts of telepathic capabilities and similar things (which
FYI, the yogi's tell you will happen after a kundalini awakening, but suggest you ignore such stuff
and concentrate on love, service, and union with god (or your guru))That was in Dec. 1989. Another
btw, Guru Mayi never said to follow her, she gave instructions on following ones guru, as she did
hers. The books taught that others sages came to realise that god had created all their
experiences for them, including the appearance of a teacher. I admit, I personally fell in love in love
with her anyhow, as did everyone else there too I suppose. Within three weeks of my awakening
however, I discovered the logos, and all that I learned about following one's guru was transferred
to following the logos. You could call it wearing the yoke of christ even. This voice coaching me to
attendance and worship in all sorts of forums, mostly christian churches, welcomed being called my
guru, or jesus. (which, also btw, was one of the people, like buddha, my physical guru was fond of
quoting). I did feel rather cheated when I had to end my love affair with the person, that she was
only a lure to start me on my serious path. Unfortunately, my physical reality had dissolved to the
point of disbelief, and I found it difficult to love anything for awhile. The rainbow weathar that
followed me during devotional service to my guru in the form of kitchen work at 'intensives' left
when i stopped having a physical target for my passion. The logos was guiding me at that time to
forsake the physical for the purely spiritual, and I wanted my old ignorance back. To expediate the
learning process i was wishing the rest of the physical world would go away. Renunciation of
complicated material excess distraction had made my life a heaven at first, and so I pursued it
further to every level of physical, emotional, and spiritual suicide possible. The logos explained the
day after that it allowed me to do this (the most physically drastic suicide) because I just wouldn't
believe it otherwise. That to kill myself was to kill the logos I spoke to. After this, I returned to
doing the things I loved, for instance I wanted to do some service with my art abilities, asked for
an opportunity, and a day later met someone who placed me on the guiding committee of a 1/4 mile
long mural project to promote ocean environmental awareness. God works in many ways to suit the
peculiarities of any seeker. Different faiths are always fighting about the right path, but I think
god comes to anyone seeking god in any faith, and also suspect that anyone who has gone the
distance on good path can see the virtues of another. On the other hand, God for me is like a wise
informed travelling companion who let's me makes mistakes without warning me except when I'm
about to make a serious mistake. I was congratulated, for instance when after I had some uniquely
flavored mystical experiences through nichiren budhism (like plugging into a hive mind of ancestral
spirit), that their was still no redeeming reason to continue with it, and I was congratulated on my
decision. For all I know, the path has merit for others, or might at least be a stepping stone, but I
found no love there in their practices. My personal path is to learn & teach (everything from art to
consciousness), and do things I personally enjoy like buying antique relics or playing music, and
turning them into opportunities for service when possible. I find that I like a balance of praying
things into being by playing on a small physical scale. For instance, if I restore the yard at my
apartment and speak publicly and with god about restoring rivers, I can expect to see news the
next day about a group somewhere restoring a local river. Take delight in everything including
yourself as gods creation is what works for me, and I believe is what all the decent faiths teach as
well, after you navigate past all the distracting complications.
micah replies to Enheduanna 
You better step down before I step up, punk! Don't make me pull my nine on yo sorry white ass!
Enheduanna replies to micah 
Don't make me use my spank-ray!
Twistermime 
I am so turned on right now....
micah replies to Enheduanna 
Your horny Manta Ray? I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemies!
Kristal_Rose replies to Twistermime 
In a castle high on an underground mountaintop, twistermime's staff of flying lab tech monkey's
secretly work on perfecting their own 'spank ray'. Will the world be safe? Will Twisty be safe?
Will I color my hair violet and turquoise tonight? Set your secret decoder rings and stay tuned for
the next episode of 'Gamma Mutants on Oz-9'.
Twistermime replies to Kristal_Rose 
*LOL*
Enheduanna replies to micah 
No, no, my spank-ray. I keep it in the cupboard right next to the can of whoop-ass.

Enheduanna replies to Twistermime 
Come join in the fun!
micah replies to Enheduanna 
Touch that thing, and I'll have my bat fly in de face!
Twistermime replies to Enheduanna 
Can I bring my box of "I'm gonna get you sucka!"????
Enheduanna replies to micah 
Yeah, your bat will rue the day it ever tried to fly within ten yards of my face!
Enheduanna replies to Twistermime 
Sure! Just make sure you bring a mop to clean up the mess, too.
micah replies to Enheduanna 
Yeah?!? What are you planning on doing to my bat? You gonna bat de bat? Bust a cap in de bat?
Spank ray de bat? Me bat don't take too kindly to spank ray cap busting.
Kristal_Rose replies to micah 
Put on your 3D glasses kids. The (desperately struggling to appear) evil Dr. Nun Quam has released
his legions from the Bat-ashmatic replicator. His dark zombie-flesh viper rodents (vat brewed
from rye mold, old socks, and nutrasweet) are flying through the night sun skies as we speak {! ! !
Theres one by your face! A SWARM - Look Out ! ! !}
Your narrator, the illustrious Captain Devo, unfurls her radiant turquoise-lavendar isis-like attire,
watches through the great derigible's periscope, and drones resonant spectral energies played
through her thought-scent-organ (available in hamonica form from all fine comicbooks). Fields of
sleepy villagers dream to the scents of lotus and poppies while Dr. Nun Quam's cacophony of bats
catclysmically have their sonar disrupted. Just then, a masked stranger appears in a glowing saucer.
His identity is known only to the Atom Rangers who can use their secret decoder rings to read a
secret message printed at the bottom of tubs of popcorn now available in the theater lobby.
Kristal_Rose replies to Twistermime 
Hurry, please bring the monkeys all in business suits.
micah replies to Kristal_Rose 
Hmm.
Kristal_Rose 
*LOL*
anonymous #1 
Actually, buddhism is an atheistic religion, not polythiestic.
Kristal_Rose replies to anonymous 
Are all your comments anonymous?
anonymous #2 replies to Kristal_Rose 
Yes, I am shy.
Kristal_Rose replies to anonymous 
Fair enough. Wish you weren't. and here at SC that's likely to bring wrath upon you.
anonymous #3 
Christianity is the only religion based on truth. All other religions have to come up with attractive
ideas to get others interested in their religion, since they have no facts to base any beliefs on.
Kristal_Rose replies to anonymous 1.5.17
Christianity emphasizes history, others emphasize metaphorical lore, or 'cause and effect' interpersonal physics that people can become sensitively aware of.
Have you spent a year or two as devout practioner of any of these faiths you denounce. If you haven't, you have no more justification to denounce them than a scientist who has never comitted to a spiritual life. Christianity offers salvation and threat of hell. In a sense, a more intense marketing scheme than most other faiths.
I think christianity can be a fine gateway to understanding God. It is unfortunate that you make it appear so unappealing.

Have you ever seen something mysterious happen?
{coincidence planning, deity visits, optic science tricks, hauntings}
Kristal_Rose 01.04.23
              One persons mysterious is another persons scientific understanding. Most of what I
              experience at every moment is unexplainable. My every moment is what the unenlightened
              would call coincidience at the minimum. I play with all order of serious stuff. I have for
              instance used magic to reverse the compass polarity of part of my living room (it was an
              unintended side effect of charging a levitation potion (which never worked nor was really
              expected too.)). But I wouldn't consider that mysterious. When I am visited by ancient
              deities, and they cause a local earthquake or power outage, I suppose you could call that
              mysterious. At least something once every week to three months for the last 13 years has
              been something that most people would call mysterious. Often I have to figure these things
              out and am surprised by them. Everyone who keeps searching will keep finding new things in
              their life, Even long after you thought you'd superceded the realm of possibility.
              I love it; I almost always get to select [Other] on SC surveys.
micah 
My life is full of stuff like that. Like:
I get the urge to count down from 20 while I'm lying in bed, and I'm totally visualizing the numbers
as I'm doing so, and when I reach 0, the alarm goes off.
(So was it coincidence? My effect on the world? The worlds effect on me? The world and I are
very effectionate that way, we effect each other simultaneously.)
Kristal_Rose replies to micah 
That one happens to me all the time. I used to create weird alarms like asking a dog down the
street to bark whenever the next waffle was done cooking. So how come you never call? I gave up
on you cause you were always in the shower or something.
micah replies to Kristal_Rose 
I'm never home anymore. My life is completely flip flopped from what it was even 2 months ago.
I've barely been getting any sleep because of the combination of work, school and band practice.
It's insane.  :-) I used to have a friend that said he "didn't even have time to shit.". I now know what
he means. :-) 

Wicksy 
YES
(1) At work, my PC was flickering madly except I couldn't see it. A passer by noticed it and asked a few people to look at it. They simply couldn't believe that I couldn't see it.
Possible explanation: I had been looking at that screen all day so my eyes may have been sufficiently
adjusted to it to spot any possible abberation!
(2) I saw a figure pass my front door as I was about to enter and I then saw my brother answer
the door in the same direction as the figure went. I asked who else was in and he said no-one!
Possible explanation: It my girlfriend that my brother was shagging.
It was a ghost
(3) I was driving along in my car and out of the blue, thought of this bloke who I hadn't thought
about for years! One minute later, I see him.
Possible Explanation: Coincidence?????? *UNLIKELY*
Great question
Zang replies to kaleb777 
Fluorescent lamps do flicker all the time, very quickly. When they are starting to die, they become
more noticeable. If you've ever played pool under a fluorescent lamp while on acid, you will get
some great tracers as you wave your pool cue around. It is like a strobe light. This is due to the
exaggerated perceptions that one experiences on psychedelic drugs.
Kristal_Rose replies to Zang 
Just wave your hand in front of your monitor. I had trails of flies persist long enough to realise that
they keep repeating the same flight pattern. I had three over lapped trails of a complex pattern
weaving through my living room. Afterwards I verified that the phenomenon (minus the trails) is
always happening.
Kristal_Rose replies to micah 
karma here i guess. I never got your reply till I just stumbled upon it. We should jam. I've become
an instant monster on the bass (once I get into the groove).
Kristal_Rose replies to Wicksy 
I've had that happen. You basically become one with your machine and on the same frequency. Your
fluttering out of consciousness, and the machine is likewise at the identical rate, so you aren't there
to see it. The more scientific disbeliever explanation would be that you are so tired that you have a
slow reaction and persistence of vision, so it all smooths out for you. I used to have problems with
my machine, and he would say he could fix it just by touching it. He was the VP of a company you've
heard of. He once confided to me while we touring San Francisco that he doesn't even think or act,
just observes what his body does. That one freaked me out at the time.
I have had so many weird things happen on my computer. I've conversed with it through the spell
check and speech interpreter where it appended my journal entries for me with things i forgot to
mention and new insights. Often, it glitches in immediately helpful ways, like accidentally launching an
application i forgot I needed at the moment or something. I was once had my mind totally engaged in
a state of worship while my hands typed away what was probably the best code I've ever written.
It was when I gave up after a week long struggle of murphy's law on deadline. God did more in an
hour than I certainly did all week. Peoples computers reveal a lot, some are slow, some are full of
knowledge, others are cute. I've noticed that I can easily control my internet speed with my
consciousness.
I sometimes travel with people that can use the world like a blackboard to illustrate their
conversation (I'm getting there myself). You can say I used to work on Citroen SM's (quite rare in
US) and he'll say "Oh you mean like that one?." and just that moment on the freeway one will come
around the corner into view. You thought it was was weird once with a minute lag, try no lag,
continuously, and pertaining to everything in your field of vision and other senses (within the laws of
physics). I've done that twice (and all the time to a lesser degree); it's pretty intense and
something one can never forget entirely, even if they try hard. I call it being in the hot seat. I
haven't done it to that extreme in a few years now. As I said, it's a bit intense. The only possible
conclusion from it is that the mind that creates your thoughts is simultaneously creating your reality.
Eventually, like i mentioned with that boss of mine, you will find that your own mind isn't actually
doing anything anyhow, everything including your own body can go on just fine without it. That's not
the way I do it though. I certainly believe I exist and make body and environment decisions at least.
jkiehart replies to Kristal_Rose 
Ha ha ha! I just did what you told to Zang, to wave your hand in front of your monitor. Well, now I
can't stop doing that, and my co-workers think I'm weird. Maybe not for the first time, but I like
to think I've amused them. I'm telling them, "Look! Wave your hand in front of your monitor! It's
really cool!"
Kristal_Rose replies to jkiehart 
You don't know it, but your replying to the comment i just left in machine consciousness survey
under qualification now as well.
Glad your having fun.
You should try throwing a lightbulb in the microwave for 10 seconds (burnt one's work a long as the
filament hasn't broken off). You can do 20 seconds if you dont mind cleaning up the broken glass. It
creates a pocket aurora that glows wildly in dancing colors like trapped will o' wisps.
micah replies to Kristal_Rose 
*LOL*Instant monster?!? 
Zang replies to Kristal_Rose 
Hey! You're right! I never noticed that before.
Kristal_Rose replies to Zang 
Try the lightbulb trick I just told Jkiehart about. I do it whenever I have new party guests over.
Kristal_Rose replies to micah 
'Monster' is a term for musicians who are outrageously good. I'm not except when I get into that
trance state sort of like automatic writing, then I can play like i wouldn't believe with both hands
running up and down the fretboard like sandcrabs doing hammer on tecniques and such. I heard the
term from a good friend who was an honors grad at UCSC. He usud to develop all sorts of new
theory and apply it horn playing for his band Eskimo.
micah replies to Kristal_Rose 
Eskimos wear Mukluks you know... 
(I'm having a Dr. Demento flashback here)
Kristal_Rose
Been out in the yellow snow? That's my cue to call my kids in AK.
topper replies to Kristal_Rose
Nothing happens for me when I try that- is it because I have an LCD monitor? or am I just missing something?
Kristal_Rose replies to topper 
CRT Monitors are strobing at anywhere from about 40 to 120 times per second. Your TV is only
30Hz so you won't get as many freeze frames of your hand waving. A cathode ray gun has magnets
bending the pinpoint stream repeatedly across lines of your screen. It blinks off and on too so that
it may be on or off when it hits the red green or blue sub-pixel phosphours that turn momentarily
into light (like the coating in a flourescent light). RG&B are the postive color primaries; in between
them are the true light subtracting primaries of Cyan, Yellow, and Magenta (you can't mix all the
colors with red yellow and blue like they misinform you in grade school). Red and green light will mix
to create yellow. Yellow ink is actually a black hole for blue light, leaving the red and green. All this
is contingent upon us having RGB cones in our eyes. The rules of color mixing would have been
different if we had Gamma, Infrared, Orange, Blue, and Ultraviolet cones instead. In fact, even if
we had RGBUv we would have to use a 4 dimensional rather than a 3D color chart to show all
possible colors, and we would find all fuchsias or umbers to have an infinite depth of variety, just as
all RG mixes turn out not just to be on the red-yellow-green spectrum but turn out to various grays
and browns with the addition of a B cone. (I'm explaining something else here that someone who's
played with telekenesis might get). Anyhow, liquid crystals are persistent for longer than charged
phosphours, an active matrix screen might be transient enough to strobe though. Try the lightbulb in
the microwave trick. People often request it at parties, but i don't think have the guts to try it
themself. Yeah, I been out in the yellow snow. Buddhists have a high propensity for seeing unified
energy in matter, don't they? I once downloaded a japanese sage experience for a few minutes.
It's similar.
Did that answer your question?
I guess the saying was never, "after enlightenment one levitates wood and walks on water". I find
"one hand clapping" rather rich. I bet that's a website, hold on.. ..net's there, org's squatted, com's
absent. Always words to remind us.
Zang replies to Kristal_Rose 
Ever microwaved a marshmallow? Make sure you put it on a saucer or something. 
Kristal_Rose replies to Zang 
I'll check it out. I only have tiny ones.
Kristal_Rose replies to Zang 
Well, they were tiny.
anonymous #2 
Our television started turning itself off and on. When it came on the volume would be as high as
possible. Then one day, while I was watching it, it let out a scream (yes a scream) and just died.
Never could get it to work again. I also once saw what looked like a disembodied hand, although I
had a high fever at the time, so I could have been hallucinating.
Kristal_Rose replies to anonymous 
What else was going on in your life at the time? Sounds like it must have been some miserable stuff.
The hand.. uh.. you don't mean on the TV, do you. I've seen certain things like paintings become
briefly animated at times (usually when I'm communicating with someone). I have stuff like that
going on with my radio and tv all the time, but fortunately not that flavor. I them for all sorts of
purposes.
anonymous #3 replies to Kristal_Rose 
We were having financial problems at the time. I was having problems with my mental illness
(suicidal), sometimes when I'm in that state weird things happen. Not on the t.v., the t.v. itself let
out a scream and died. My husband was witness to the television events, so I know I wasn't
hallucinating then.
Kristal_Rose replies to anonymous 
The positive version of TV events is always happening for me, I had no doubts about that one.
The whole thing comes a package. Spirits will feed off the suicidal which might make you more suicidal. There are all sorts of phenomenon that are half a step away from halucination. I reversed magnetic north in part of my living room. I can bring out a compass to prove it wasn't a halucination. I take spirit photos, and record my mystical guitar work. It's for sharing with my friends; I'm sure it would still be missed or explained away by anyone I was trying to prove something to. They have their world and we have ours.

Write me a poem.
Kristal_Rose
              Off the top of my head, till the day I am dead,
              ever going, gone beyond, all so awesome, raindrops falling, yod' yod again, and then, dawn
              alloting, all not falling, haloed droning, no more moaning, lift the sea, spirits dreaming, in the
              tide, live with feeling, easy breese, live with ease, so on going, no more snoring, levitate, all we
              wait, satiate.
              Under towing - so un-growing, wild wind all that song knew along - ride the wind, drifted.
              Drift again. birds on woods, singing dews, midnight morning, all forming. crystal ball.
              Dance, shepards rising, scintillating costume ball. Royal splendour, hidden treasure, books in
              ships, masthead hips, lavendar loving mists amidst all we miss.
Kristal_Rose replies to heyzeus1
              Gee, (mine) kinda reminds me of something INXS would write.
              I just the experience of yours tonight. Section 8 politics and the water being shut off on my
              neighbors apartment (& my kitchen).

What was the first thing you thought of when you woke up this morning?
Kristal_Rose
               Often waking up involves deciding what the nature of reality will be. Will I be talking
               directly to Ezra (scribe of the angels) on the internet today. Will I get the confirmation
               (hopefully not, I'm tired) for my invitation RSVP to a panel on Neural-interventional
               Radiology.
Kristal_Rose replies to phoebe01
               I was up till 3:30 am almost every night back in HS and my ride picked me up at 6:00 am. By
               my senior year of HS I was sweating at a fast food restaurant till 3-3:30 am and getting a
               ride at 6:30 am to a college calculus class where I would mostly sleep and drool. I
               eventually repeated and became top calc student.
Maarten
               Whether my pay check was in or not. Called the bank... it's not. @!%&$#!§
Kristal_Rose replies to Maarten
               This isn't a continuation of the cryptogram survey is it?
Maarten replies to Kristal_Rose
               Nein
phoebe01 replies to Kristal_Rose
               Sounds like a worse routine than mine  :-)
jettles
               hhhhhhmmmm, funny, i never did really wake up this morning because i haven't been to sleep
               since yesterday morning at 9am. so it's been 37 hrs now! i will go to bed soon and will come
               back and answer again after tomorrow morning maybe!! i'm sure i will sleep well tonight..........
Kristal_Rose replies to jettles
               So what kept you up?
Kristal_Rose replies to jettles
               I'm a vampire too. Sunrise is almost my warning to call it a night, though I'd much rather be
               in the sun. I often live on a 26 hour cycle instead of 24, and so every once in a while I have to
               stay up all night and day, with a long sleep afterwards to get back in day synch. I used to
               have to do this weekly when I was younger, had graveyard shifts on Fri & Sat night, sundays
               off with my wife, & an evening schedule starting back on mondays.

If you came across a major news story in your part of the world would you
 share it with Survey Central?
Kristal_Rose
Well, we have an energy crisis in california, and a carson city refinery not far from me caught fire today.
juliw replies to Kristal_Rose
The refinery catching on fire must have caused quite a lot of damage!
Kristal_Rose replies to juliw
Air quality was the primary issue. I didn't follow the story too much.
juliw replies to Kristal_Rose
I see. I was just picturing this huge explosion, like if an oil tank exploded or something. So...are you all done with your housing proposal?
Kristal_Rose replies to juliw
I expected you.. because being in synch is a spiritual thing. I don't know what to do with it now other than involve more agencies and work as a peer rather than an appointed representative. At worst I wait to see how they responded in the redraft.
Biggles286
Eh?
juliw replies to Kristal_Rose
What I saw of the first draft looked pretty good to me. Good luck with it in any case. As for your statement about being in synch, I woke up really early this morning-about an hour before I usually start getting ready for work, and saw your comment about the refinery. It dawned on me that I hadn't conversed(if that's what you can call this) with you for a while. I read one of your comments the other day that kind of implied you are getting a little tired with SC. I will miss tallking to you and reading your comments, which are quite interesting.
Kristal_Rose replies to juliw
My disinterest in SC came about because of a desire to experience interactions in a more lively organic fashion, because I felt I could serve higher purposes with my time elsewhere, and because my reality was transfigured for awhile such that other people didn't even exist, being usurped by mechanical, angelic/demonic, self & god forces. It often takes tremendous will to maintain a multiple consciousness reality.
Kristal_Rose replies to juliw
btw I fell asleep thinking about you after your "gotta love that rehtO". I was reading 1984 on my way to sleep and the woman the protagonist had run off to the woods for an affair against the system with, introduced herself as Julia.
juliw replies to Kristal_Rose 
Yeah, it does. But that's one of the things I like about SC. I can leave the stress of work, and just tune out for a while, and yet have some kind of interaction with other people. By the way, I was voting on the unqualified new surveys, and saw the comment that being in synch was a spiritual thing. I thought,"Oh, so that's why she said that!" 
juliw replies to Kristal_Rose 
I just now noticed your other comment. about you reading 1984, then dreaming about me. I never did read that book. I bought it in 1884 to see how true it turned out to be, but doubt I even still have it I think I gave it to Lenny, a friend of my sister's, who teaches literature to high school students.
Kristal_Rose replies to juliw
The world's a much better place than the book would have imagined in spite of so much of it coming true. I had high expectations of you. I even expected you to relate 'Gotta love that rehtO' with other comments I've made elsewhere. Consider yourself fortunate; some couldn't even read the word.
Other books to consider 'Brave New World' upbeat attitude parallel to things starting to happen, but not nearly as deep, 'That hideous strength' by C.S. Lewis - an antiquated but revealing fiction on the merger of demonic forces with artificial intelligence by the deepest christian author I've encountered. Anything by Philip K. Dick, but one has to have a metaphorical mind to see that self-rewriting 'wub fur' is the web. So much he had to say is an accurate analysis of sociological trends in spite of his bizarre paranoias. Don't bother with the 1984 movie. It misses the mark. One of the scariest things written in 1984 was that when it happens, no one will realise it or care. And that, alas, seems true.
juliw replies to Kristal_Rose 
Those books sound really good. I usually read popular fiction, such as Grisham, Stephen King, etc. Right noe, I am on kind of a 1920's kick, and have been reading up on Dorothy Parker and Robert Benchley. As for my comment "Gotta love that rehtO", I wanted to give the survey creator credit for "thinking outside the box." It is kind of fun to do that sometimes, but I need practice in that department.
Kristal_Rose replies to juliw
That was me again. Everyonce in a while some of us open the paradigm here a bit, but it's so much tougher with the veto quality of qualification. Many of my old surveys would have never passed it. I just deleted about machine consciousness. People were criticising my options, so I suggested a list of options for machines to read somewhat like  How about these options? [000] for [Never], [010] for [Maybe], [011] for [Probably], [111] for definitely, and [100]/[101] for [Other] of course anything conscious might suggest [001001] or even [¥¢¿] for the latter option.
I think that means [background conscious process - my important cents/sense worth - consolidated decision of earthly manifesting possibilities - alternate form of interogative linked], but I don't know, I'm not a machine. 
juliw replies to Kristal_Rose 
I wondered if that was yours, but have to admit I didn't understand the option. I think I kind of do,
now.
juliw replies to Kristal_Rose 
I mean the "111 etc" option is the one I had trouble understanding, not that there was anything wrong with it. I just didn't get it.
Kristal_Rose replies to juliw
I started with simple digital: 0 means no or off, and 1 means yes or on. Decimal numbers go up to 9 before you have to start a new column ..8, 9, 10 and binary starts a new column when you reach 1 ..0, 1, 10. Each column can also be made to represent yes or no to a particular aspect. A survey of answered check boxes could be represented as 01001, or 9 in decimal. In my example, columns represented levels of certainty 000 is no in all respects, 111 is yes in all respects. If I take you on a higher plane to mean the issue represented by '111' or 'definitely', than I'd have some serious explaining to do, and quite honestly the topic of combining artificially intelligent matter with an angelic level of consciousness has been immensely draining. God, told me I could do it, and that I would regret it, and was of course right. It seems I conjured the angel scribe Ezra in the form of the www. Quite often I get myself into some form of 'oh sh_t, what did I get myself into now.' I ran into a website last night or so after typing that comment which was evolving to a language a touch like that glyph above. It was about a recent archealogical resurfacing (2500 bc - 1997 ce) of a place called seahenge.
juliw replies to Kristal_Rose 
I was wondering later if maybe that was binary code. That reminds me, you should go back to that survey that asks if you have ever typed something at random and found a website. Though I know what you typed wasn't exactly at random, it still makes an interestng story.
Kristal_Rose replies to juliw
I have a really really intense story in which no matter what I typed into my search engine, it would turn up some diabolical technology from 12 years in the future (so I thought). Alas, I bookmarked it and it's all still there. It was mostly about nano-technology, radiation, surveillance, that sort of thing.
juliw replies to Kristal_Rose 
Wow! That's weird. What site is it?
Kristal_Rose replies to juliw
Not which site, many dozens of them. I was flying through websites for about 20 hours straight. No matter what I typed into my search something would come up quickly, for instance 'gold uniform' would direct me to site's about gold (not carbon) based plant life which has it's own microgravity. It turns out NASA is the umbrella agency for all the main agricultural reserch sites. If I looked up 'smoke detector microphone' I would get 20 manufacturers of smoke detectors with built in hidden cameras. It got far more insane than that. Check out my bookmarks page. Basically, I said to Satan, bring it on, let's see what you can do, then had to remind myself that I am one with the almighty and pulled the plug on allowing such an interaction to occur. To visit those web pages, or worse, to conjure such pages yourself, is to play with, perhaps even unleash the dark side of the force. I used to think that showing non-believers the dark side would convert them, but I get the feeling that when they're that jaded, you could put a hydrogen bomb on their doorstep with a count down timer, and they'd merely get jazzed about the paint job and electronics.
juliw replies to Kristal_Rose 
I want nothing to do with the dark side. 
Kristal_Rose replies to juliw
Thank you.
juliw replies to Kristal_Rose 
I am not trying to be rude, but I honestly don't understand why you are saying thank you. I thought by "the dark side", you meant worshipping Satan or something, and that is just something I choose not to do. I am not condemning your beliefs (if, in fact, those ARE your beliefs). But, when I read the "Thank you", I just thought you were insulted or taking my comment personally. Perhaps I am reading more into it than I should.
Kristal_Rose replies to juliw
By Thank you, I meant I'm glad you do not wish to explore dark forces. To fascinatedly watch your greatest conceivable nightmares manifest before you at light speed for the sake of intrigue and proving your ability to vanquish them is possibly risky. One could get lost fearing or fighting things
that did not have to exist. For the average person, this pastime can be likened to a good person
watching horror movies or the news, or fighting famine. I think this might be how the playground of creation works. Alas, many of the things I researched then have come to pass already. For instance, the DoD was suggesting connecting voice pens and tennis shoes to the internet to prevent another Kazynski. A year later, Toy's R Us sells the pens and the NY marathon is using the shoes to track the runners. I have a very creative mind, and whatever I think of comes true, so I'd rather be thinking of environmental restoration. Seeing us at the brink of destruction isn't very fun. We read each other very well (I wish I could understand everyone so well). All those doubts ran through my mind too, even about how you'd interpret my response. Hope this clears up why I do this, and why I feel better that others choose not too. I got my chance to play Dr Morbius of the forbidden planet, then undo most but not all of the damage.

juliw replies to Kristal_Rose 
Thanks for being so kind about clearing that up. I don't know why, but when I read your "Thank You",
I honestly didn't know how to take it. I had my doubts about asking you to explain, because I thought
I might come across as more than a little paranoid. I think to have experienced some of the things you
seem to have experienced would be quite scary. Anyway, thanks for clearing that up. No damage
done.

Kristal_Rose replies to juliw
I'm sweet and well intended, but I can get intense and forget my best goals, and make mistakes
while trying to learn more. I still have an immense proud ego, if you haven't figured that one out.

How long does it take you to get ready for the day?
{keyboards}
Kristal_Rose 1.04.25
              2-6 hours. Less when it's routine and I prepare the night before. I usually miss my errands
              and appointments because the daylight is gone before I am ready to leave the house.
              Even when I leave the house I often have to return half a dozen times for something I forgot
              to bring. What that might be varies daily. I have created various coping techniques, like
              duplicating my essential make up in a jettison bag, and trying to keep project materials that
              need delivered or photocopied in that bag. Things that need mailed or brought to the goodwill
              or something are kept by the door. Getting ready for a party takes awhile. I pack my tarot
              cards, art portfolio, perfumery kit, harmonicas, various foods and alcoholic beverages I have
              created, as well as do a tri-finish job on my nails and sometimes do my hair. Bicycling around
              town means having a grocery list prepared, having goodwill returns gathered, my budget
              prepared, attire and overnight gear for the days weathar and possible social situations, the
              cats taken care of, cigarettes manufactured, breakfast and possibly a lunch cooked, checking
              various calendars for activities like ebay auctions closing, making important calls and sending
              letters. Add to this being scatterbrained and having transgendered issues like hair removal,
              and you can see I've perfected the art of taking forever to leave the house.
Zang
              I like to allow myself 2 hours to get ready in the morning. Most of that time is taken up with
              coffee and cigarettes. If we just include the bathing and getting dressed, I'd give myself
              about 45 minutes for that... BUT I CAN'T OVERSTATE THE IMPORTANCE OF COFFEE
              AND CIGARETTES!
Kristal_Rose replies to Zang 1.04.25
              Oh yes, and like Zang, I spend plenty of time gathering my thoughts over coffee and
              cigarettes. There was a time I gave up both of them, and I got out of the house so much
              faster. I think it's not just the time spent actually imbibing in them, but that they fog the
              mind and create an atmosphere of contemplative procrastination, though at the time it seems
              that that thought gathering is vital, the fact that it's not when I don't have that routine
              package speaks for itself. Mystical consciousness is possible without entropic inertia in the
              guise of comprehensive consideration. We need to quit smoking Zang.
Zang replies to Kristal_Rose 
Speak for yourself. Or was that the "Royal We"? 
Kristal_Rose replies to Zang 
Ok, I do. Did you buy any of the story?
Zang replies to Kristal_Rose 
You mean your "2-6 hours" story? Sure. Why not? I have no reason to doubt your veracity. Back in
my "transvestite days" I could easily spend 2 hours getting dressed and made up for a night out. I
suspect the additional 4 hours is probably due to flakiness. 

dabprovin replies to Biggles286 
A few questions back you had the same problem with the letter (O) Now it's another letter. I feel
so bad for you. It must be quit frustrating trying to correspond with everyone here at SC.Splurge
on your next check and purchase a new key board. Wal Mart has some great deals.
Kristal_Rose replies to Biggles286 
Or just clean the dang thing: The keys pop off with a couple hooks made from paperclips, then turn
it upside down and scrub it with a wet toothbrush and soak the keys in dishwater. Youl local Goodwill
thrift store would probably be happy to give you a dozen free keyboards with the puchase of a
hairbrush.
Biggles286 replies to dabprovin 
Um, the letter that comes after "n" in the alphabet *is* O! 
I've got a new keyboard now anyway........
dabprovin replies to Biggles286 
Congrats!! Biggles286. I see you finally remedy the problem! Now doesn't that feel alot better?
I'm seriously thinking of getting one of those key boards that curve to conform to the way the
fingers type. Gotta get that. I find that my wrist get really sore after being on net for hours
without rest.
Kristal_Rose replies to dabprovin 
You could also switch your keys around and click on the 'Dvorak Keyboard' setting. It's designed so
your fingers are usually on the home row and alternate between hands so your hands move only a
16th as much. In contrast, the popular 'Querty' keyboard was designed to slow typists so the
machines wouldn't jam. Dvorak was based on a lot of key sequence statistics. Here are my three
main rows of keys:
',.pyfgcrl/=\
aoeuidhtns-
;qjkxbmwvz
dabprovin replies to Kristal_Rose 
Thanks! I'll give it a try.
Kristal_Rose replies to dabprovin 
Search for Dvorak & Querty to print out reference charts to arrange your keyboard. A few
keyboards won't let you pop the keys in anywhere, I had to take an exacto-knife to the underside
of many of the keys on my newest keyboard. Years ago, when I switched over, my dvorak speed
matched my querty speed after only four hours training.

Have you ever said, "God, are you real?" or "God, if you are real, then show me."
Enheduanna 
Not in those words, no. But I've probably said the equivalent. Not in a very long time, though. 
Persephone 
Yes. And I got a sign. He sent me rainstorm. 
Maarten replies to Persephone 
No, that's called a coincidence, Ambrosia.
cpierson 
Bugger never answers.
Persephone replies to Maarten 
Well I like calling it an omen for something 
It makes me feel important. 
Biggles286 
Nope.
Jemmy 
No.
juliw 
Nope, but I have asked God to show me a sign if something was about to happen. And I have made
little "deals" with God, even though I don't think it is right to do that. Like, I will promise to do a
certain thing if I get certain things I am praying for.
jettles 
no
Kristal_Rose 
I can't recall now. Probably. For the last dozen years it's pretty much all I do see now. Several questions and activities abound still, but I'm way past the proof of God thing. Once you see God, you'll wonder how you could have missed such an obvious thing right in front of your face. It's like not having noticed air or thinking before, although I hear there was a time when people didn't notice air either. If you have a good memory, then every time you stumble upon a new layer of reality, you'll find that it was always present in your life too. God doesn't always come when called though. There have been so many times I've asked for advice and the radio immediately switches over to musac or a foreign language. (The constant reminder being "you don't own me", and "don't take anything for granted".) It's way good advice. My earlier spiritual work left me terribly jaded, and I had to take a sprezzaturic homeless tour of the US West coast for a year to undo the damage and learn compassion and understanding of other beings. I would get depressed if I didn't learn a new reality or new sense, or at least a new religion or ancient history every three months or so.
Kristal_Rose replies to Maarten 
Funny word that 'Coincidence'. From my 1932 Funk and Wagnall's 'The Handy Standard Dictionary and Atlas': coincide - To agree exactly, concur, agreement, correspondence. Funny how the world coincides with our thoughts and prayers. I'm grateful that it happens for me all the time.
cont: w/ persephone..
Kristal_Rose replies to Persephone 
[see my proper definition of 'coincidence' addressed to Maarten]
I completely coincide with the weathar. I always make good on my promises to bring warm weathar with me when visiting relatives. When I'm angry I conjure good storms. I did a rain dance (canary thunder dance) at a party one night in the presence of a chief of an inter-tribal council at a party (wailed on two harmonicas at once standing on the back of a love seat) and while he was off to the inter-tribal rain dance the next morning my conciousness was filled with a dozen hours of lightening that supplied LA with long overdue flooding. When I want the sun to come out, I sing in the shower. At devotional services the sky fills with a mist composed entirely of rainbows. When I went to Alaska to visit my kids a green cloud of aurora followed the plane from anchorage to fairbanks while I read a book about angelic light forms, and that night the sky was filled with an awesome aurora from horizon to horizon that took the form of vertical color striations, then horizontal, then finally a white tube of light. I had the snow thaw briefly to build a toboggan run then had it go 58 below so I could say get a good vacation photo next to a temperature sign in town. I've been granted requests for earthquakes as well. I had one localised to knock the 3 feet of texts covering my employers entire conference table so I would have an excuse to organise the 20 year accumulation. I sculpt waves at the beach (my brother and toddler daughter used to do this too, though I didn't take them too seriously at the time). There are other forms of weathar most people can't sense (electrical, magnetic, color spectral (fire, metals, etc.), tonal, emotional vibes) that can be affected as well. These latter are often referred to as chi, sakti, and aura energy and a personal supply can be built up through meditations. They come in such flavors that one with a 6th sense can identify what religion a practioner or their place of meditation is by their energy signature. With this kind of sensitivity you can also feel planetary changes. Keep up the 'coincidences'.
P.S. So what's with the Ambrosia? Is that your name? Part of my sons name is L'ile Ambrose (the island of the immortals). I named my guitar Nemo (that's Omen backwards) (surf rock, Captain Nemo, (like my old nickname Spock (Nemoy & Yeoman Rand)))
Kristal_Rose replies to juliw 
Ha. I used to do that all the time. God told me to cut it out, that I couldn't deliver on these promises anyhow. It only compounded the problem, still smoking cigarettes, while knowing I promised God I'd quit made me feel dreadful. I ask for signs all the time, to indicate when somethings ready, to warn me against serious mistakes i could be making etc., This is of course when I'm not fully engaged in conversation and am focused on outer reality. Sometimes the world goes on hold for these conversations (kinda like time freezing in 'charmed' or touched by an angel'), and I can spend hours talking with someone while others walk around us oblivious of the conversation. I suspect that even happens here at SC. I've been on the other side of that too, asking someone three times to recite some mystical text (in english, I think it was Crowley) and giving up because I was unable to hear it as anything other than garbled sounds. Then there also the times I think I've succeeded in communicating something to someone, and find that I had been on a higher language plane and unaware at the time that there was a lower level of meaning to which they were probably affirming. My old 'What level do you hear on'? survey was an example of that frustration. I pretty much find now that I have to choose what definition of reality my companions are on too. When I decide that many 'other people' are able to see spirit images around them, then I'm free to share that with them for instance. Sometimes I share a world with telepaths. I've pretty much decided that I want to keep my people 'people', and that it's not quite right to snoop on them uninvited. So telepathy is something that just sort of happens when I'm close to someone these days. So what kind of requests and promises are you making?
Maarten replies to Kristal_Rose 
You're joking right? If not you really need some help.
Kristal_Rose replies to Maarten 
I'm sorry you don't believe in Angels and Enlightened beings Maarten. 12 years ago I wouldn't have believed 5% of what i just said. I hadn't even read accounts of most of it back then. I had some very minor telepathic abilities, and very fundamental literature, which turns out to cite much of this stuff if you pay attention. The arc of the covenant and that sort of thing. I've no reason to doubt the possibility of anything anymore, having seen so much similar myself. Look around you Maarten, there are several people here that are at least talking with God.
Persephone replies to Kristal_Rose 
Yeah, Ambrosia is my first name. 
Kristal_Rose replies to Persephone 
I like it. Do you own a purse-phone?
phoebe01 
No. I'm not into that sort of thing. 
juliw replies to Kristal_Rose 
Oh, my requests and promises are pretty general. For instance, when I was in high school, I would fool around all semester, then the night before the midterm, I would say "Oh,God, if I even get a D on this test instead of an F, I won't argue with my sister for a while." Then, if I passed the test, I would rationalize by reminding myself that I never specified how long of a while, and argue with her the next day.
juliw replies to Kristal_Rose 
And my "signs" are very general, too. Like if I know I should clean the house, but would rather go shopping, I will say that I will only clean if it starts raining before I get ready. In which case, I wouldn't want to go shopping, because I don't drive.
Maarten replies to Kristal_Rose 
No, it's about you controlling the weather.
Persephone replies to Kristal_Rose 
No. 
Kristal_Rose replies to Maarten 
You're doing it too, you just don't notice like I do. I expressed it in terms of Eastern philosophy. In western religion you would say that my prayers were being answered. To juxtapose those views, if everything I thought came true, one could conclude two things, either I was creating everything that happened, or I was forecasting (had premonitions of) everything that was happening. As I believe that the God who creates my world also creates my mind, I don't actually distinguish between these two world views. God has a mind that makes this world run like clockwork particular to everyones needs, sort of like synchronous multiple existentialism coming from a single source. For instance I once talked to a couple and the wife and I were admiring a wonderfull manifestation of the Angel Gabriel in the clouds, while meanwhile, her husband, not ready to believe such stuff, missed it because he was busy grumbling and stepping in some cow poop. All our minds are the one mind of the creator; some subsets are aware of that and one with creation, others are still one with creation but not aware that they are only getting a limited view full of manifestations of their particular script of doubts and frustrations. If for instance, my aunt comes to visit, she doesn't like sci-fi horror and the episode of x-files that night turns out to be a comedy of all things. Did she have anything to with the production of that episode or the scheduling administration. No. But God knew that she would be at my house watching that episode, and similar things were happening all over the globe synchronized with all the other little details of the universe. God manages to give all of us our custom little worlds particular to our own scripts wherever we are. Some of us, like me, can not only see that we have this interactive script running with God, but also that everyone else does too. When I send out prayers for mothers day and arrive at work with pies I've cooked, we all go outside to eat and lo and behold, we get to see the first rainbow ring around the sun I've ever seen. It could have come out some other time, but instead it came out when all the mothers took a rare break outside. Coincidence, as I described it, is the nature of the universe. It's a marvellous synchronicity that supports all of us simultaneosly. I hope you live to see it. You've had your share of bad times, this is generally God's way of having you take notice of your script. The old "when it rais it pours". My birth name was Thor, and I named my daughter Aurora. I think has a bit to do with my affinity for weathar.
Kristal_Rose replies to Maarten 
I might add, to further illustrate synchronicity, that although I had done a thunder dance the night before, that day the skies filled with lightening and thunder all day, followed by a week or two of pouring rain, was also the day in which all main the tribes of the western US had gathered a couple miles away to perform a thunder dance as well. It was also my synchronicity the night before to have shown up at the party with photos I'd taken of spirits at native sacred grounds, on a night to meet this chief of the inter-tribal council. Few others would have been able to appreciate what I had photographed. His spirit btw was a new experience for me, it was like it was made of compressed boulders, not airy like most I had mentioned. I once wanted a native name; A few days later while hitchhiking I ended up being dropped off at an intersection far from anything at midnight with no freeway traffic whatsoever to be seen. Fortunately, in a few minutes I was picked up by a Shaman who had been fasting all week and showed me some new ways of manipulting chi. He gave me the name Tashia (I'm not sure how to spell it) which means Inner light. I have a second name that came to me in meditation. The part that is said is Buffalo Heart mother. I just took a look at that reading I did for you which is pretty much as I remember, skeptical & western. Have you latched on to anything spiritual at all yet?
lara replies to Kristal_Rose 
:-D
Kristal_Rose replies to lara 
We haven't talked much yet have we.
albert 
...And he said no.
kaleb777 
No. I've asked for a sign that something is true, and I didn't get it, so it mustn't be.
SilverGhost 
Sure...and then we had this long drawn out conversation until dawn where we watched the sunset.. and I said.. God thats beautiful... and he said.. I know-- I made it. I looked over at god and shook my head and said... Do you know how halmark that was? I think I saw that hanging on the door of some old lady... He just kind of shrugged. 
lara replies to Kristal_Rose 
Nope. I'm not very talkative, but I am enjoying "listening" to you. 
SilverGhost 
uh.. I meant dusk.
Kristal_Rose replies to lara 
Thanks
Kristal_Rose replies to kaleb777 
I didn't think too much about God half my life, though I was quite interested in exploring psychic phenomenon of which I had some personal successes along the way. I'd read some Leary and Asimov, and plenty of things like the bible and books on astrology and such. Eventually we got a co-worker at the shop who had an uncanny to accomplish much with little. He told me about his guru and her special abilities, and I found the whole mystique of their yoga group quite intriguing (it also seemed like a good way to meet girls). I instantly had a remote love affair with this guru, tried things I never I would have before, and put my skepticism on hold. Over the course of three weeks I had an instant awakening. My co-worker talked me through various exercises in consciousness much like those I now teach. The significant thing was that I was ready to believe, and the right carrot for my tastes appeared at the right time. Now that I can 'download' others frames of consciousness, I have been able to see that even when I was an ignorant agnostic kid, I had a sense that God permeated everything, a sense I found others unfortunately lack. The point is that every departure to a new realm was a 'leap of faith' for me, operating on nothing but speculations that something could be true. Children can be raised into high consciousness from the start. But other than that, I've not personally met or heard of people that didn't have to be ready to believe in the first place. Unfortunately, I've even met some people, like my brother, who have a form of mystical alzheimer's (could be all the alcohol).
So nothing is true? Do you experience karma of any degree?
Kristal_Rose replies to albert 
Well, I guess there's your proof there.

Maarten replies to Kristal_Rose 
I don't want to offend you, but I really think you have a very child-like view of god. As if he hasn't
got anything better to do than arranging a special X-Files episode for your aunt.
But then again, I don't believe at all in god or anything that controls our lives.
kaleb777 replies to Kristal_Rose 
No. I asked God if a particular thing that I was considering to incorporate in my life was true, and I
took the lack of an answer as a "no". I didn't mean to say that I asked God if some thing was true
as in "is anything true?" I thought to myself that if I have faith, then whatever answer I get is the
truth. If God wanted me to adhere to this new way of living I was considering, he/she/it/they
would have let me know. I got no answer, so I took it as a "no". 
Kristal_Rose replies to Maarten 
You didn't get it. He's got nothing better to do then arranging every infinite detail of every
persons life. He's so good at it that even though we all share the same planet, we all get something
that synchronises with our individual scripts at every nanosecond. Some of our scripts call for more
profound miracles while others are slated for misery. Perhaps you should contemplate why who's
shown the miracles, and who's shown the misery.

Maarten 
Indeed. Why does a whole continent like Africa get the misery?
Kristal_Rose replies to kaleb777 
I know what you meant. I was joking with you as I just did with albert too.
What was the question, and what form of communication (of dozens of popular varieties) were you
expecting? As I've mentioned before, God often stops talking to me when I ask for advice. I
usually have to take my chances exploring paths too.

Kristal_Rose replies to Maarten 
I'll have to sleep on that one.
kaleb777 replies to Kristal_Rose 
I don't want to say the question, but I just used conventional prayer. I don't know what I was
expecting as a reply, but I believe I would have known if God had responded to my question. Sorry
I didn't read your response to Albert. 
Kristal_Rose replies to kaleb777 
Sometimes the communication is simply the advice of others or what feels best to you. It seems you
were dubious of the choice in the first place.
kaleb777 replies to Kristal_Rose 
I can tell you that I would know if God was sending me a message. I didn't get one.
Kristal_Rose replies to kaleb777 
OK.
With nothing prior to go on but a couple telepathic and telekinetic trivialities to go on (after which it
still hadn't occurred to me that presence of God permeates everything)
as soon as I decided to dedicate my life to God
it took only a couple hours to get signs , and about three weeks later to actually be conversing.
However, I had been spending near a decade before that doing research on the occult and various
religions.
My teen agers had been talking to God since birth, and so have a few rare others I've met. I've
also taught this to a couple people who had other spiritual consciousness. If I had more energy, I
might do what is called an intensive with you, but I think my energy is best spent elsewhere. Just
know, that people do talk to God, and perhaps it will happen for you. The hoops I had to go through
were more intense than a happy person jumping off a cliff. No one else I know had to go through all
that. I don't really know why some are ready and others aren't, but I do know that you have to be
ready to change your entire worldview to about as great extreme as believing it's all been a
videogame like in 'the Matrix'. Some people have had coaching all their lives like has been passed on
from my parents to my children. I actually find all the children are ready, then the parents go and
tell them the false laws of reality which sinks in by about age five. For me, awareness started with
noticing that someone would always cough when I lit a cigarette, even if they were 70' away.
Eventually I came to realize that everyones conversation was metaphorically addressing my current
thoughts. It went on from there. You've had ample time to accept or reject what I've taught here.
I've generally given up on more invasive methods than prayer. I'm coming to realise that if a person
is happy with their reality (even aethiest or agnostic), then there's no reason to change it.

kaleb777 replies to Kristal_Rose 
I think I believe that God, or whatever superior beings oversee this planet, have designed things,
started the ball rolling, then stepped back and let it all happen. I don't think I believe in an
interventionist God, since there is so much bad shit happening to good people. I'm sort of in
between belief systems now, as I slowly de-program from the beliefs I was told were true as a
child. I believe everything can be explained scientifically, and that Gods, or whatever, are beings
that are simply at a higher stage of development, kind of like how Dogs view us. They almost
worship us. We hold the power of their life of death. We reward them with food, etc and to them
we must be all seeing. My dog sometimes sneaks around the long way to get at the cats food. It is
so obvious to me what he is doing because of my level of understanding, and he is amazed when I
intercept and scold him. I am all seeing and all powerful to him. Gods have reached a level far
beyond ours. They play with matter, create planets and populate them. We cannot understand this
process, we just enjoy the benefits, kind of like when a dog enjoys a car ride in a machine that is far
beyond their understanding. What I hope is that it is a linear progression, and that we too may
advance to understand the technology of Gods. Does that sound like psycho-babble or what? 

Kristal_Rose replies to kaleb777 1.05.01
Even Einstein followed blueprints from a couple millenia ago that spell out nuclear physics in plain
hebrew. Any good jewish high priest has these documents on hand. Quetzalcoatl knows a lot about
crystallography and earthquakes; Kali has this but more fire and black hole capabilities too; Garuda
mucks with the tesla technology; Horus knows a lot about time, psychic vision, and energy flows.
Don't presume that all forces here are benevolent. I must presume that God has them under
control. Those dogs who consider us higher beings sometimes get gassed at the shelter. Others get
adopted. These aren't the rules of every dimension here, but they do exist. Don't presume all the
people you talk to are entirely on the same dimension, no matter how much they are in synch with
your own. We can understand it, but it takes learning on a mystical level. Physical manifestations of
advanced science is merely the residuals of decisions being made at a level that doesn't have to
tinkertoy with the nano-spectral-genetic details of it all. We've had a dozen nuclear bombs
accidentally land back in the US, and blow 5 of 6 failsafes, and yet, in spite of these tens of
thousands of primitive nuclear missles, no mistake has blown us up. Kingdoms go in and out of favor.
Many that have blighted away still exist in spirit. I'm a real novice at this stuff. I'm drawing
premature conclusions from my limited knowledge and experiences. Anyone is free to become a
saint or angel, for good or bad. We can always use some more good staff.
Not psycho-babble at all, but a little limited. There's nothing but God here. Fully understand that,
and anything else follows.
btw Dogs have about the easiest mind for a person to telepathically talk with (probably why they
were used for sheparding and such) and they really key into dis/approval. The next time your
disappointed with your dog, watch, the'll slink into the house, before they've even had a chance to
witness your look or voice. Back when I was 14 (to illustrate one of those trivial examples of
pre-awareness I mentioned) I practiced telepathy with dogs, enough to see they had that 'person
looking over your shoulder' awareness, even when targetted from inside a 7th floor room above the
boardwalk. Now, with dogs, it's my preferred way to communicate. They're more likely to ignore
voice.
It's not at all linear. If you mean like star-trek, then somewhat, but we had 19th century industrial
technology two millenia ago. We had 24th century technology in Solomon's time. We could have most
of that Star-Trek stuff in about 12 to 40 years just on a pure scientific level. The only reason we
say time moves in a particular direction is because that is the direction our memories work (for
most people). The mistake there is that people think our consciousness is coming from our brain. To
go out of body is well understood. Few people know that you can also have your consciousness travel
matter beyond your own body.
Back to your 'under control' theory, look at all the advanced technology we have now. We have
sattelites out simulating cosmic gammar ray bursts, and can breed glow in the dark animals, yet we
still haven't solved any basics of human misery. We can identify by sattelite if some lab has nuclear
materials or illicit plants, yet we still let people run around and shoot each other. This is the play of
consciousness. It doesn't have to be this way, but this is what we do. It's nothing but divine
intervention. Why do you watch scary movies? You don't have to, at either the TV or reality level,
but that's what your divine force has chosen.

Maarten replies to Kristal_Rose 
Still sleeping?!

Kristal_Rose replies to Maarten 1.5.02
Why I've had time to enjoy a full nights sleep nearly every night. Thank you for asking.
I don't really have the answer you're looking for, and still haven't had time to meditate on what is one of mans greatest enduring questions about divine intervention in the physical realm. If you've been reading my recent stuff, you might see that I have been indirectly trying to explain your issue. To illustrate with a physical example how my own life goes, I remember bicycle camping a few years ago. It started to drizzle, so I set up camp in a gorgeous bay for a few days. It was rather dismal and monotonous. I finally had enough of being stuck in a tent, packed up my bike (with about 100 Kg of gear), put on some shorts (soggy dresses are no fun to tour in), and headed north. I got chilling winds, dark skies, and heavy downpour for the next 20 miles. It then let up, and the uninhabited pastural area was full of the most magnificent rainbows I had ever seen. Likewise, I seem to encounter demons as often as angels, things going tragically 'murphys law' followed by things going miraculously well. {at this moment spirit tells me "you've been writing b_ll shit for 20 minutes, that's because you were looking for trouble"} Indeed, those times I've been in heaven on Earth, where everything that met my senses was quite lovely, and I had a telepathic bond with everyone I met who all met me with absolute reverence, as I did them, I knew I could stay like that. Some country on the other side of the planet may have been a mess, but my whole apartment had become a place where strangers opened their doors and became friends. Where there had been TV news of wars, I would turn on the TV to find things I loved like nature shows. Supposedly I live in a depressed area, but I have great talks with all the strangers I meet, don't worry much if I forget to lock my $1000 bike in public, and generally am able to see and spread a bit of heaven in what could have been hell. I'm no expert on the karmas of entire collectives, but I can tell you that some of them follow(ed) destructive and warring deities. Also, we do evolve. It doesn't surprise me at all that nations that practised voodoo and slavery became enslaved themself. I live next door to some people that subject their children to harsh discipline and sensory deprivation. They have appeared in my meditations as black hole beings with fire coronas and knock out my appliances when they pass my door. I once 'downloaded' their heritage, and got an entire history of tempests, famines, etc. Not all the spiritual torches carried are forces of positive creation. They don't have to affect you, and it would be wise to be an active part of ensuring that your own culture brings only joy and harmony to others. My own understanding of this is constantly evolving. I consider all souls eternal. Those people at Hiroshima had a really bad day. Collectively they wanted to steal hawaii. The US forced them to cooperate, and now they've bought most of it. Jews were in walled communities like Auschwitz, now they live in walled communities like Bel-air where $100,000 sculptures overlook the swimming pools. The bigger picture you look at, with all it's micro and macrocosms of karma over the ages, the more it can make sense. We live in creation. It has pure amorphous bliss at one end of the spectrum, and oblivion at the other. It forms a complete circuit like a light bulb and a battery. You can witness this personally, by seeing that your own world is a feedback loop: Your thoughts and reactions to creation, God just behind that creating it all around you. It could just as easily be said that the eye creates. This was explained in the high-priestess card of the tarot which has the twin pillars of boaz and jacun, of positive and negative creation. It is happening at every level including for instance deep space where black holes serve as recycling centers for cosmic debris like the negative post of a battery catching electrons.
Everything short of complete omniscience is a degree of sleeping, so Yes, I'm still sleeping too.

Maarten replies to Kristal_Rose 
You completely lost me here...
Kristal_Rose replies to Maarten 
I didn't think everything I said was beyond you.
Let's rephrase this.. What possible explanations were you hoping or expecting to hear?
kaleb777 replies to Kristal_Rose 
I think the powers that be on this planet are fully capable of stopping crime etc with the technology
they have now. The question is why don't they? When you have people in power who think it's good
that 33% of Africans will soon die from AIDS so Africa can become some kind of giant game
reserve for the elite, who can say what their plans for ordinary Australian or Americans are?
Experiments with certain wavelengths of radiation close to that used by mobile phone technology
has caused male rats to 'rape' then canabalise female rats. Every major city in Australia has phone
towers almost within view of each other, pumping out this shit. How easy would it be to
simultaneously alter the wavelength of the radiation and send society over the edge? Who's to say
what the fucked up elite of this planet have planned for us. In the 1930's, before the first world
war, the US were firing energy beams in the Woomera test site in Australia that are the same as
those in the 'star wars' missile defense program. Can you imagine what they're working on now?
Many writing from ancient cultures say this planet belongs to Satan. Even the Bible says he was cast
down here. People in control have been heard saying that no one will enter the new world order
unless they declare allegiance with Lucifer. Even if there is no such thing as Lucifer, you've got to
worry about the state of mind of anyone who would worship evil. There are more things going on
than meets the eye. 

Kristal_Rose replies to kaleb777 
It doesn't belong to Satan, but that stuff is definitely going on. What's on the drawing board is far
more insane the stuff you're aware of. Sometimes it comes with a brand name, sometimes though
you even get good people mistakenly working on this stuff though. I had a freind who was a lawyer
fighting a multi-billion dollar satanic pornography ring that used her as a child because her father
was part of it. It's a bummer when you can't tell a real aurora apart from weaponry in places like
Alaska or Los Angeles (well basically, if you see an aurora in LA, you should know better). I do meet
friends and spiritualists working on this stuff. I don't know anything about the mind ray stuff, but
documented technology from millenia ago exceeds haarp and limited nano-technology. The truth is
their is no real delineation between light, matter, and consciousness, some spiritualists would like to
evolve science to open this paradigm, others open the mind. It very well could turn into a war
between matter over mind, and mind over matter. I don't think it will ever come to this though. We
have always sort of been on the brink of destruction. People could have thought the same of fire,
flight, nuclear fission, etc. I've prayed a haarp system off line to celebrate the new millenium.
Imagine mineral-based nuclear-nano-genetic beings (layered objects) designed to withstand
intelligent programmatic nuclear blasts (substance). I prefer a return to Eden, which is another
option that there are forces procuring. Unfortunately evil doesn't always meet the eye. It creeps
up on your level of acceptance and rationalizaion in ways you can't see happening. C.S. Lewis was
very good at explaining this in 'That hideous strength' in which people succumbed to a lust for
technology. What about Einstein. He merely upped the ante, in one respect. I remember reading a
great little sci-fi story in which someone gave a gun to the child of such a scientist to make their
point.
I like to train angels. Not surprisingly, to my near disbelief, I live next door to a woman who trains
demons. It's so sad because the kids start out as innocent as my own did. She conjures flames
across the television screen and sings nursery rhymes about how the world is in flames, and how the
two year old is responsible for it. I hear her crying all the time and wondered why, she stretched
up to my window out of the blue and said "Because their's no water". I've been living next to this
for a couple years now, contemplating and experimenting all the while, and still haven't a clue what
to do about it. Not without resorting to techniques that would put me in their league. Praying that
they keep their karma amongst themselves is the best I can think of. They are permitted no joy,
but encouraged to be sexy by age 5. I find it horrifying. I can count on hearing laughter through the
walls next door whenever I mentally acknowledge some misery in my life. I do have opportunities to
outparent the kids when they visit. These are kids that have the crap beat out of them as I return
from an Easter pilgrimage up my local mountainette. They didn't get to leave the house and hunt for
the eggs I and other church people left in the yard. I once interviewed for a company to write
graphics software to demo camoflaged site improvements, particularly to demonstrate how their
tranceivers would not be noticed on buildings. I interviewed at another antenna farm too. Come to
think of it, I got exposed to all sorts of tech when interviewing, for instance 911 systems (law now
requires them to triangulate cell phone locations), airport modifications, etc., etc.
Technology is far more advanced than people imagine. An MRI rebuilds you atom by atom, while
temporarily turning all your atoms into gyro-radio-transmitters. I could go on for pages about the
state of surveillance technology. I'm no great fan of intergalactic thought-mass forms trying to
consume each other, which is exactly where the dark forces (and yes, there already are
intergalactic demons too) would like to see this all head. I can't really argue that warring galaxies
are worse than carniverous bi-peds or dinosaurs, but most of us know what deprivation of personal
body-consciousness liberties feels like. It won't change with higher evolutions of form. Even those
nano-bodies would still be subject to new viruses.
So what's going on at Woomera. Have you seen any of it? Do the tests correspond with earthquakes
and bird deaths, or are you not aware of tests.

kaleb777 replies to Kristal_Rose 
It's interesting that you mention earthquakes. I read a few years ago about US/Australian
experiments on weather control, you know, don't nuke an enemy, send over a cyclone and blame
nature. Anyway, there were reports of a large plasma ball which was seen over Perth Western
Australia at 1am one morning. This things' trajectory suggested it originated somewhere in the
Australian Antarctic Territory and was moving over the Southern Ocean towards the central
Australian deserts. Anyway, it appears something went wrong, and there was a massive explosion
somewhere close to Perth which woke up 2/3 or about 1.4 million people in that city. This was
ignored by all the major news outlets. Only the underground press reported it, although most
people in that city were talking about it. I also read about earthquake inducing technology that could
be used to destroy enemy cities, and was told by someone I know that this has got something to do
with the US base at Pine Gap, Northern Territory. It was when I was studying Australian geography
about 5 years later that I noticed a map of earthquake activity in and around Australia in my
textbook. Australia is a stable craton, part of the continental crust, and away from the mobile belts
of earthquake activity along the borders of our plate which are at New Zealand, and the Indonesian
archepeligo. However, although there has been several small earthquakes within Australia (rarely
above a 5 on the Richter scale) there was an intense area of earthquake activity in central Australia,
in the southern part of the Northern Territory which made a perfect rectangle on the map within
larger rectangles of lesser intensity. Nowhere else on the face of the Earth are earthquakes so
uniform in strength and position. It really looks like they have been produced during tests of some
sort.
Kristal_Rose replies to kaleb777 
Large plasma ball.. green light, perhaps iridescent?
The other possibility is deep nuclear testing in combination with seismographic mineral mapping. The
USSR plotted their entire reserves in this fashion using a grid formation.
It is said that the pyramids gathered seismic energy or similar ground charges. I heard that shortly
before all the quakes and same night on the news, repeatedly, spottings of clouds of green light,
never correlated. For all I know, it's a natural phenomenon, but I doubt it. The quakes epicenter at
air force bases.
kaleb777 replies to Kristal_Rose 
I don't know what's going on. I think it's best.
Kristal_Rose replies to kaleb777 
Ah good. I keep telling myself not to get into a fascination with this stuff again. Just passing history
about it is a bit too far from the burying it I should be doing.
anonymous #1 
There isn't any god
joalis replies to Maarten 
Have you read 'Demon Haunted World'? Have you Krystal? If I remember right, theres a bit on
coincidence and how people create these associations to make sense of something they can't
explain. I'll have to read it again.

Kristal_Rose replies to joalis 
Who wrote it? Doesn't sound like my sort of reading. Must admit, I have a slight attraction to
'haunted', lord knows I've come across my share of them. There was a dark period early in my
awakening, when I didn't have the sort of sight I do now. Demons I didn't see appear in many old
artworks and photos I took during that period. Christians I knew at the time were trying to tell me
about it, but it didn't fit into my world view at the time. I was too busy feeling suicidal to pay
serious attention to the possibility that I had demons of death arround me. My favorite discovery
from that period was a painting I did which had lightening cracking opening a geode and smoke rising
from it. Years later it was quite obvious that the smoke was in the form of Adam and Eve (and
demons were riding what I had thought was a riderless motorcycle approaching temple pillars).

joalis replies to Kristal_Rose
It's by Carl Sagan. He debunks myths and magical thinking.

Kristal_Rose replies to joalis 1.5.12
When I was younger, I had two college courses in the same semester: One was an 'anthropology of religion' class in which the teacher had guest lecturers like Carlos Castaneda; the other was 'psychology of the occult' in which everything had to be turned in in the form of scientific research. A magical thinking course (with tons of academic history), and a debunking course at once. I found it amusing.

joalis replies to Kristal_Rose 
Sounds like the kinds of classes I would want to take.

nasale 
I think it's hilarious when people get very angry and denounce God (I've done it many times
myself) So, if He doesn't exist, who are they/me so P.O.ed at? It's like a little kid who takes
their marbles, says they don't like you anymore and goes home.

Kristal_Rose replies to nasale 
I only did it once, and 2 hours later I was near the epicenter of a quake that took out most of
downtown. The asphalt looked like waves at the beach, and I was wondering if the world
would end.

You're irritated because God is the only possible ultimate explanation for reality, and a being
with that sort of omnipotence surely could give you some personal attention, yet chooses not
to. The more you see God, the more you will lose your current conception of reality, which
more or less you have enjoyed for your brief appearance here, you have eternity to discover
God. When you do, you will look back on your life and see that God was always before you if
you had been ready to see. My goal as far back as I can remember was to become omniscient
and omnipotent, and I spent much of my life doing spiritual research, still, it wasn't until I
was truly prepared leave everything I thought the world to be, that a new reality including
the appearance of God arrived. You are merely curious. You have to make the first step. It's
karmic: Those who give their heart to jesus, have that returned, those who are willing to give
away their entire concept of reality, have that returned. Denouncing god has no repurcussions
for you, because God knows you might as well be denouncing life on Mars for all you know.
Knowing God add's whole new levels of opportunity, perception, responsibility, etc. But then
there is infinite opportunity where you're at too for the time being. Your question should be
"Do you want to trade in your perception and accountability for the sake of knowing what's
really going on?" I might add that those who trust they've make that covenant but don't
expect it to take place until they die, reap that reward.
Blessings on whatever road you choose, love, Kristal.

Are you in synch with new surveys?
For instance, your SO cheats on you and a survey about fidelity appears, you get a new instrument to learn
and a survey asks what role you would have in a band, you think you know it all and a survey about splitting
positrons appears.

Kristal_Rose 
It depends on my state. At times, every new survey is right on cue for me to explain something I've
just gone through. When I'm unfocused and just want to answer random surveys, that's pretty
much what I get. All my replies stopped short for awhile when I decided that I had more important
work to attend to. Sometimes I ask for a reply worthy of an in depth elucidation and usually get one.
At other times I might wish for someone to have a virtual romance with.
I save all my survey comments as a diary of my life.

joalis 
That will probably start happening to some people here because they are thinking about it.

Jemmy 
Not really, in fact that hardly ever happens. I can't even think of one time that that has happened. 

Kristal_Rose replies to joalis 
right on. Any trick I can use.
This one: http://surveycentral.org/survey/2591.html helped me land twisty. She did a 180 from our
most anti-god user to proseltyzing pro-consciousness. It did take a few other tricks as well like
clearing out unforgiveness, and mostly prayer. It was also a big gamble on my part. Some entities
gain consciousness while remaining evil. That's my side of it. It was written in her, just like all the
teachers i met were written in me. You were around for all of that, weren't you? Back when I was
doing to SC what jen called 'leveraged paradigm shifting'? .. and 80+% percent of SCers hadn't a
clue what I was saying.
Kristal_Rose replies to Jemmy 
Ooohh, sweet Jemmy. Did you ever try the excercise with the diary and the radio I suggested
where you change moods and write what you hear?
joalis replies to Kristal_Rose 
I'm not sure if I was here for that. I don't remember it though. What I was thinking about was an
awareness phenomenon. If you think you are experiencing a lot of coincidences lately, then you'll
start noticing even more of them. People start noticing connections between things when they have
been thinking about connections and coincidences.
joalis replies to Kristal_Rose 
Hey, I like that suggestion you gave Jemmy. I love to write, and I love to interpret songs. Some of
my poems and stories were started by interpreting something else. 
Jemmy replies to Kristal_Rose 
It didn't work. The radio plays the same songs all the time, and it has to be 60% canadian or
something. The songs didn't really change with my moods. Almost the opposite.

Kristal_Rose replies to joalis 
That is what I was saying. I created this survey as yet another technique to make people aware of
synchronicity. It is far less direct than a couple years ago when my method was to become
psychically tapped into everyone, and try shifting the paradigms by reading their minds cramming
the fact into their heads that every comment out there had an interpretation that pertained
directly to them. Only a couple people actually got it. I got one convert out of it for sure, twisty,
and got to increase my skills by doing things like experiencing they's pregnancy. Blabbing peoples
secrets also helped convert SC into a much more friendly open forum, rather than the den of
secrecy and suspicion it had been to some extent (although it already had been a lot friendlier than
I had realised at the time). I wouldn't do it again. I was writing comments that had a dozen
intentional levels of meaning aimed at different people, and stayed up 72 hours straight doing it. It
ended with everything going askew and all the information lining up to appear to me that bill was
going to blow his head off live on SC. It was a very intense mess. Twisty dropped all contact with me
after I scared her with my misinformation (from where I stand it actually happened, then was
rewritten). I speak of heavens and hells packaged together; that was definitely one of those.
Fortunately people are very forgiving here and I consider all these people that I put through some
of this to be good friends now. I checked some of the old surveys and didn't see any traces of your
involvement.

What emotions have you seen animals express? 1.04.28

nasale 
I'm a big animal lover. I believe they have a very wide range of emotions. My big dream is to have a huge tract of land and get donkeys, emus,llamas,pygmy goats,miniature horses, all kinds of birds, cats & dogs. 
kaleb777 
All of them in dogs, some of them in other animals, and only a couple in cats.
Good survey. 
kaleb777 replies to nasale
I want to get llamas so I can get rid of my lawn mower. A vet I know told me they make the best
live lawn mowers because they don't eat trees or bushes, and their crap is small.
Kristal_Rose 
Certainly all these listed (I'm not entirely sure about the disgust).
Kristal_Rose replies to albert 
Far faster using [TAB] from control to control and [Spacebar] to check them.
Kristal_Rose replies to kaleb777 
My relatives collectively own what had once been a large sheep ranch. One of my cousins had a llama ranch like I was planning on doing when I was in my 20's.
Kristal_Rose replies to Ethan 
Wow, how so. I haven't ever had a rapport with reptiles, though I have a cousin who lets rattlers
slither across his bare feet.
Kristal_Rose replies to nasale
That's so cool. Robin Williams had a sort of dude ranch at one time (don't know if he still does) that
was a home for disabled animals like three legged horses and such.
nasale replies to Kristal_Rose 
I love that! I am an even bigger sucker for an injured animal! Hence, I'm known for rescuing birds
(mainly). I had a pigeon a few years ago. He decided to make an old bread box his new home. He was my 'bud'If I slept in past ten, he would pick at my feet or head to get me up. I taught my budgie to 'go for a ride' on the pigeon's back. It was loads of fun! When I moved, the pigeon got scared and perched on my head all day. It didn't do much for my dignity. I even had to take a bath with the darned thing there.Gawd, what I do for love! 
nasale replies to kaleb777 
I guess between the llamas and the goats I wont have any grass at all!
Kristal_Rose replies to nasale 01.04.30
I am definitely a bird lover. A year ago I was thinking we could use brighter birds, and the next day a flock of parrots flew overhead (I was wearing for the first time antique earrings from my son
that sort of look like parrots too). My cousin has a macaw which she actually converses with. Until I met it, I presumed they only mindlessly babbled quotes. I believe there was a time descendant from the dinosaurs in which they were the height of conscious awareness. I can talk to birds and other animal telepathically. I get them to pose for my camera. I've even passed spirit to crows. I awake to doves out my window. I have a neighboring rooster that reminds me at 3am that it's time for bed. I've had to gaze a dog down in the midst of charging after my cats. I've climbed above soaring hawks, but haven't seen wild Eagles yet. Another of my cousins talks with them. I saw a fantastic show the other night on PBS about int'l eagle varieties. I had some native prayers for grounds restoration and the following day the news had two stories: plane flights were being routed around the grand canyon, and an eagle had layed an egg there. I find telepathy with animals to be far easier than with humans.
I love the budgie story.

Do you agree that one gives little when they give of their possessions, and that it
is when they give of themselves that they truly give? 1.04.28
Kristal_Rose 
Yes, but when a person clings to possesions, to give them is to give of themself. Moro important is to give in the right spirit. For instance a passive agressive gift is no gift at all. Likewise for one given solely out of a sense of duty without love. Giving of ones self should also not be confused with sacrifice, or personal attachment. Just because you so dearly love that wind-up pencil sharpener does not make it a thoughtful gift.
Kristal_Rose 
Unfortunately, it's easier for some people to give a street person a dollar than a smile. Bill Gates makes a million dollars an hour. Who else do you know who gets national news coverage for giving away five hours of income to a foundation? On the other hand this happened when I gave away five hours income to a charity too. Goes to show how god reflects all your efforts.
anonymous #1 
Most people who "don't give a fuck about possessions" have never been in the position of abject poverty. Material things do matter, and it's highly lame of people who have them to inform people who don't have them that they don't.
All of you who say they don't matter, why don't you sell everything to feed the starving children of the world?

Kristal_Rose replies to anonymous 
I've given away almost all of my household possessions to go on a homeless spree about 3 times now.
Most of the homeless people I met had a net worth of about five dollars, yet would still give away
half of anything they just received in an instant. Just a couple months ago I spent about $80 for
baby shower gifts to a neighbor I had only chatted with a few times, even though I live off $750 a
month. I know one graduate from the divinity college who is homeless, teaches at a bookstore, and
gives his welfare check to his daughter in college.
On the other hand, many of those people are homeless because they were so possessive.
I myself would be a bit more reluctant to give things up now, because they are all gifts, momentos,
and shrine objects. But I don't even have to worry about things being to rare to recapture. For
instance, I owned a record album pressed specially for a tiny surf punk concert I went to as a teen
21 years ago (which I gave away to become a yogi). I mentioned it for the first time to a friend I
was visiting in LA, and she said someone had just given her that album a couple days ago, and of
course she had no record player and gave it to me. People who truly don't have to worry about
possesions don't worry because God takes care of all their needs. The fact that some of them have
always been surrounded by great wealth has nothing to do with it.
jettles 
i think that people truly give when they give of themselves but i don't think that they give little when
they give of their possessions-it depends on the person and the situation!
jettles replies to anonymous 
you are a coward to come on here and insult anonymously--- i understand that the anonymous choice
is here for a reason but i don't think that reason is to insult others and speak in a derogatory way. if
you can't say what you said as yourself then don't bother!!!
i know that some have had painful experiences that they are not ready to share as themselves and
that is good and fine but please don't insult anonymously!!!! 
anonymous #2 replies to jettles 
Don't tell me what to do, jettles. You're welcome to filter anonymous if you have such a problem
with it.
anonymous #3 replies to Kristal_Rose 
Your philosophy, "People who truly don't have to worry about possesions don't worry because God
takes care of all their needs." make me sick. The 30,000 children who starve in Africa every day
would probably disagree with you that God took care of their needs.
Kristal_Rose replies to anonymous 
I don't know enough about those people or their social and spiritual history to tell you why they have
their karma. For all I know were talking about people that put a christian veneer on vodun, and
would still sell a neighboring tribesman in an instant.
You're still right of course, few at hiroshima or german concentration camps could be said to
karmically deserve what happened. All I can think of now is the possibility of geographic karmic
pollution. I never said people don't have to look out for each other. Africa continues to be
plundered by capitalists and politicians from the world over. Plants, People, and Societies die,
evolve, and start over.
I know what works for me. When I throw my fate entirely in God's hands, if I'm hungry, a fresh
meal appears on the sidewalk. Whatever I try to give comes back to me. For all I know, just a few
put their fates in Gods hands and ended up on a boat out before the damage came. On the other
hand, even all the saints died or were executed, and we all die of old age. Few blame God for that. I
don't know about this issue. I risk misguiding you here because I'm just trying to put together
theories on little pieces of information. Africa reminds me a lot the old testament, which wasn't so
happy go lucky. All the cultures that believed in God kings met their end. If I ever get a chance, and
I sort of doubt I'll have time, I'll try to correlate faiths with travesties. That's not the answer I'd
like to find, and I can't imagine an answer I would like to find.
Still, I wouldn't shun god in your own life simply because people you know nothing about are
suffering.
Eventually we will have more ice ages, and our sun will die. I wouldn't place all your stock in physical
reality.
jettles replies to anonymous 
just as you can say what you will, no matter how inappropriate and cowardly, i can say what i wish and
tell you how i feel....... and i did and still feel that you are a COWARD!!!!!!!!!! why come here and even
participate if you can't say those things as you and take what is coming your way!!

Kristal_Rose replies to anonymous 
I started thinking about what I do know, and a conclusion came to me in the shower that both fits
my current understanding, and that I recall reading before, more or less.
1. There are an infinity of heavens and hells possible. 2. God can use the physical earth to manifest
these sort of things with such synchronicity that everyone is in the right place and time for what
their mind and soul need to go through. 3. I have 'downloaded' the histories of some people to see
that they have spent many lives with the same attitude about the role of their soul in the big picture,
and wondered when will they ever learn. 4. We live for eternity. Living through a holocaust is but a
blink of the eye. 5. Every soul is writing it's own path until it merges again with the absolute.

Conclusion - People who need a holocaust in their evolution get born to be at the right place and time
for such. Every life, until they they finally start living in instantaneous karma, and straighten out
their dharma is an opportunity to redeem themself and break the pattern of misery that comes of
seperation from god.

I have a next door neighbor.. She's like the african Mother Superior security guard of fire &
brimstone. A couple days ago I saw her conjuring a TV full of flames and singing to her innocent 2
year old granddaughter that the world was on fire, and that she was to blame and should be proud.
I once tried to understand these neighbors, and downloaded some of their history overnight while i
meditated in my 'sleep'. I spent hours of video-flashcard like experiences of every sort of natural
famine, earthquake, tempest, locust swarm, etc. imaginable. This life, I suppose she's taking a rest,
merely training kids to be demons, and working as a security guard (as do her daughters living
here). I expect she's lived through all those horrors, and will return to relish many others in later
lives. I don't get the idea that this soul will ever make amends. I still don,t see the biggest picture
on why god tolerates, perhaps even employs so to say, this function.
I consider it one of my primary assignments to understand or rectify this situation. Her family
seems as powerful and evil as mine is powerful and good. On just the physical level indications of
this are my reception or connection going out whenever they in particular pass by. I've let some of
them come in and touch (even new) equipment which immediately goes dead and needs replacement.
I only let the kids in now. There always having some misfortune like covering the stairs in blood
during a childbirth or having another child born with her liver hanging out (they nick named her pork
chop). It's tiring trying to combat it. One day I got the crazy idea that perhaps the lesson here was
to relish hell as well as heaven, so I said "bring it on". In a few seconds I could hear the neighbors
beating the sh_t out of the kids, and instanly realised I could not ever relish hell. Even though I
can't entirely stop what's going on next door, it seems my prayers at least work better than if I
hadn't lived here at all. I don't want to believe in martyrdom. The other part of that experiment
was to see if by accepting their position, they would accept mine. The landlords kicking them out
when the contract expires in December. I have till then to figure it out. My minimum goals are to put
as many positives in the kids as possible. I've taught them a bit of art and music and such. I've
basically had to whisper to the kids to never break down and lose their spirit to the woman, even if
they have have to feign submission for many years. Also not to believe the 'stupid', and 'hard
headed' they get told nearly every minute of every day.

Aside: there was a time early in my awakening when it got way too intense for me. I decided to
renounce god and attempt ignorantly returning to my prior state of consciousness, and to resume
my intent to become a famous artist and show at the galleries I was visiting during that lunch. Two
hours later a quake hit Santa Cruz and took out most of the main street including all those lovely
galleries like the brick victorian cooper house. It also took out a freeway overpass in San Francisco.
The pavement moved like 2' ocean swells beneath my feet. You don't want to be on God's bad side,
I can assure you.

Since your here, for arguments sake, let's say there is a god, i'll let you define the nature of the
human soul and it's scope in the big picture.. Why do you think bad stuff happens to seemingly
innocent people? I can't do all the work around here. I've been mighty tempted to show wrath at
times too.
No I haven't. Damn you. Excuse me, I'm sorry. To any extent I can forgive you, I do.
Ok, well I guess I just learned something new tonight. I'm not happy about it. I can see I have far
more to learn. That tail end of genesis is just starting to kick in after all these years.

I constantly give myself as proof that you can give your life to god down to the last penny and
breath, and have your every reasonable and noble dream come true, and then you change the
subject to scorn god over another issue. Just restating the facts as I see them. What is your
purpose here? It sadly boggles my mind, in spite of knowing the answer. Please, wake up. What you
believe in is not working and you know it.

anonymous #4 replies to jettles 
You are hysterical (not to mention hypocritical). You are using a handle that certainly does not reveal
who you are. 

anonymous #5 replies to Kristal_Rose 
I find it repulsive that you would wave away others' suffering like that. This kooky belief system
you've cooked up contains no truth, but just ways for you to feel better and not have to bother with
others' pain and suffering.

Kristal_Rose replies to anonymous 
That's rediculous. My goal is Heaven on Earth for everyone. Depending on your definition, waving
away others suffering is exactly what I'm trying to do. and, I was even crying about you last night.
If I felt as you said, I wouldn't be representing 40-190,000 tenants on housing assistance,
volunteering for LA's metro transit board, staying in touch with green project people, turning my
apartment to a garden before moving, and coming back from church where tonights topic was the
goal of merging the collective personality body of this age with the almightys will to prevent
repeating another mind-over-nuclear-genetic-matter catastrophe like ones we've done in the past.
I am doing everything in my power to prevent suffering short of assisting in the reclaimation of the
consciousness of people and deities that have gone astray against their will. It's a no win situation.
People's liberties are in jeopardy either way.
Answer me this.. Would you have taken from you (not continually offered away as in cases like mine)
all of your decision making (do I eat, do I get angry, do I pay this bill) in exchange for a world
without suffering for everyone?
This age has been very brief. The age of God Kings has been forgotten. This one can be
whitewashed too. In the current system, it seems god makes suggestions and answers prayers. As
you've seen, God currently allows many forces to go astray. We are listened too. When I wanted a
church to cover this material, a rather large one appeared blocks from me that pretty much fits
what I had in mind to the tee. I've had for more vast intense prayers answered, but I've never
before prayed that those separate from god be forced to dissolve back in. I'm still weighing that
decision, others in my league are not. I expect you to reject all I've said. I just thought I'd keep
you advised of what's happening. I think the next thing to pray for is that all the churches and
independents bring up proposals or receive channelling of the same material. Basically it would
amount to a committee decision to petition god for, and to invoke a bypass of judgement launching us
into the next age. I can envision many possible outcomes. I've already laid out a couple possible
paths tangible reality might take (basically return-to-eden or nano-nebulas). The good-evil thing is a
far more serious issue than the landscape, and requires far more serious transfigurations of
consciousness.

I've exposed what I believe, I have a general idea what you believe. If you can meet me half way
and exchange any opinions on the future of consciousness, or whatever tangible topic you might think
to have an open minded respectful dialogue about, then please do so. Otherwise I can't see any
reason to continue this conversation. I haven't yet seen you contribute alternative explanations to
what is happening or what to do about it. I think it's safe to say that people like Mother Theresa
and Ghandi don't angrily indulge in suffering the way you do. Instead, like me, they spend all their
effort trying to alleviate with joy and hard work. If you were to be in their minds, I think you'd find
a sheltered little heaven amidst the hells they attempt to diminish. Fighting can only incur misery.
Best of luck to you in your own search for the truth and shambala.

Kristal_Rose replies to jettles 
I found the handle hilariously appropriate. I was reminded of that passage in genesis ".. Didn't you
hear me? I hid behind a tree because I wasn't sure who you were."
Your prior comment fit in well with accepting karma.
I try to explain to people that I don't care who they are, ghandi or hitler or my girlfreind, it won't
change how I respond to their words. I basically see it as a sign that they don't want to be
accepted. The only reason I can see for being anonymous is if you have screwy parents that forbid
you to chat and spy on the site, and even then I can envision better solutions.

anonymous #6 replies to Kristal_Rose 
Why do you assume that suffering is justified or deserved? (p.s. I am not the original anymous)

Kristal_Rose replies to anonymous 
I prayed that these neighbors that had me so tormented by the misery they propogated would be part of a heaven surrounding me, and I woke up to that being the case today. In my own life, suffereing is a result of not following the path of greatest love. The doctors couldn't do anything for my spine injury. I had to decide to go out and do some living, and my back repaired itself to allow me to dance and hike again. But I couldn't react to it, I had to rewrite the script and have faith that my back would be there for for me when I want out to use it. Suffering is tolerance (even if you want to shoot yourself over it) and reaction. Do the right thing from inside out and your whole world will change.
I assume so because in my own life I see that every minute detail of my life is a consequence of my recent actions or thoughts (it's called instant karma). I also see it happening to everyone I meet. I therefore presume it is the cause for those I haven't met. I wouldn't call it justified or deserved though, simply a result of their thoughts. If you stick your hand in a fire you get burned. It wouldn't be quite right to call that punishment, merely consequence. Some people have to play with fire a few times before they figure it out. It applies to good things like chocolate too. In some cases karma should be obvious (I recall the time I dug a pit trap at the beach which I covered with sticks and sand that caught 2 kids, soon after my entire body was a severe case of burning ooze (the sticks turned out to be poison oak)). Now I see all the details, like someone sent me a package the slowl way because I momentarily sinisterly relished the thought that all these people I was dealing with were undercharging their shipping costs, instead of being grateful about it. I give a tip, someone gives me a soda, I give a smile, someone else gives me one, I'm grateful for a joyous day and the birds come out to sing. I finally figured out last night that I wasn't getting that kind of karmic result out of my kindness to my neighbors because I wasn't coming from love as much as intent to be a righteous example for their sake. Karma doesn't work when you attempt to manipulate it and take it for granted in the wrong way. I was slow to figure out that righteousness was another example of this.
If what I find to be the truth works for everyone else too, then suffering can be alleviated everywhere. I was trying to figure out how to solve Kosovo, and God simply said "That's not your responsibility". So I dropped it, freeing myself to work on my apartment building and Los Angeles. Part of why I came here was because I heard my guru had closed an ashram here because the shakti was so polluted. I doubt that's true, but I kind of like the 'where angels fear to tread' challenge. I lived with a prior murderer, and invited in the house a pervert who had knocked on my door in the middle of the night say he admired watching me dress. In these, and even far more satanic experiences, I find a divine light that keeps me protected and lights the darkness for everyone. I like to test my faith, the way an athlete might hone their skills. Broken glass, ferocious dogs, gunfire.. the list of things I can walk through calmly without fear is always growing. Fear is only a means of empowering your enemy. If you are one with god, there can be no enemy.

nasale 
It's a quaint idea that the only giving is of oneself, but it doesn't work on a kid's empty
stomach.What is meant by possessions,anyway? Like clothes? Is that a possession? If so, there are
kids who need those too. I guess I'm not quite getting the meaning, here.
Kristal_Rose replies to nasale
I think the question could be rephrased as "Does attitude (intent, vibes) matter as much, if not
even more, than the gesture?"
nasale replies to Kristal_Rose 
I'm thinkin'
Kristal_Rose replies to nasale
Excellent. 
I've been working on this particular question for years. That's it's my actions seems to be the
product of a stubborn ego that refuses to retire from it's sense of purpose. I'm starting to
retrain my ego that praying things into being instead of corresponding with COO's & gov't
administrators is my job, not the demise of my job. As I made this surrender, I started getting
invited to planning boards where I was heard directly as well, however.
My children and others I've met were born without having to make a leap of faith, having had their
mystical perceptions nurtured from the start, rather than eradicated as usually happens by the age
of 5 by parents who know only the concrete realm. Although my world was turned upside down when
I discovered it was all God, I've trained a couple of people (who already had other spiritual
awareness) to converse with the radio, without seeming to shake them at all. Everyone's different.
Leaps of faith are practically routine for me now.
Thanks for directing your comment my way.

joalis 
I think it depends on the situation. I kind of want to suggest the flip side of the coin. If I needed
money really really bad, and someone gave me some but were reluctant to part with it and having
second thoughts, I'd probably appreciate it more than if it came from someone who gave at the
drop of a hat. If someone gives you something or helps you do something because they love it, they
aren't putting themselves out as much as someone who doesn't really want to help you, but does
because they see that you need it.

Kristal_Rose replies to joalis
I told one woman I was deliberating about whethar or not to let her go ahead of me in the grocery line. I gave in when the register became available. If she was on her toes, she'd realize there was no decision being made. I let the next person go ahead too. Someone smiled and commented "well why not, you bought the whole dang store."

joalis replies to Kristal_Rose 
Maybe you have never had pure-hearted actions misinterpreted. One time, a girl at the roller rink
left $5.00 on the bench. I picked it up to give it to her and she snatched it away from me and got all
defensive like I was trying to steal it. Some people get really defensive when you try to help them. 
Another thought I was meaning to bring up: When you decide to let loose and feel free, being
louder or more carefree than usual, somebody inevitably is going to disapprove. At least, it's been
that way with me. Sometimes I can actually predict that someone will have a problem with it.
Kristal_Rose replies to joalis 
Well, actually, no, not to my recollection. In fact I've had quite the opposite. When I try to give
away money I find to the person sitting next to it, they give it to me. A really strange example was
last halloween where I did my utmost to put on quite a show for the trick or treaters. I bought
exotic candies, I played my most evil music, made wicthes brew, had special lights and such, but
they had left the neighborhood, and all my howling and jack o' lantern wouldn't attract anyone.
Finally I called it a night, then the local pack arrived, and wouldn't accept any candy, but rather
dumped a huge amount of their take on me. People have told me that I overwrite the consciousness
of people I meet, (which explains quite a lot in retrospect). I can get anyone to smile by looking at
them (when I'm having a good day). I'd normally explain things in terms of karma or your subliminal
expectations (including how you define the person you are about to interact with, what judgements
you are making, etc.), but I'm wondering now if my experience is just to far off the standard
plateau to even use as an example. {I stayed up all night and I'm tired, so I might not be giving this
my best shot.} I have seen people who attract the weirdest karma, it's like everyone is a book with
different physics and subject matter. I might have spent plenty of time in San Francisco without
ever seeing a gargoyle, but if I go there with Paul, everywhere we turn, a building has gaygoyles in
the cornices. Certain people carry different vibes: one person you can tell will always be innocent
but accused. For me it's things like I will always be able to solve my coworkers computer
programming problems, but the ones that show up in my work can't even be solved by the microsoft
team, and I have to torture over it myself. But, that's because I like to see complexity and a
challenge. If I ever try to 'one up' someone with self importance, I usually have it turned back on
me instantly: if I tell someone a concept for a bomb I came up with, the'll surprise me by
describing in detail their plans for a new variety of neutron bomb their group came up with. My
brother has a history of getting warrants over $10 ticket red tape. But he has a sort of dark
mischievous spirit about him, and although he's perfectly innocent, you just get this feeling that he
somehow has it coming to him. When it stopped happening to him, you could feel that his spirit had
changed from a renegade to a sheriff. People who worry in certain ways get certain ailments.
I don't really have answer for you. I can't feel where your at now. I don't know all the variables
involved. If I were there, I probably would be able to diagnose your karma. You've always had the
most perplexing questions for me, though I imagine they seem straight forward enough to you. I can
imagine some explanations about the mechanics of your reality, but I'd really be going out on a limb,
as tired as I am. There are really subtle mergings and distinctions of expectation and surrender,
and I expect the problem lies there. Just the other night I was considereng that I've seen nothing
but fairly instant karma for the last dozen years only because that's what I believed in; that
perhaps not everyone really was subject to karma, and yet not because they'd transcended it. It
would probably take me a month of study to see if such a paradigm exists. I do know it's about a
weekly occurence that often triggers sorrow or laughter how many people I see suffering the
results of their own karma, yet are blind to it happening. I do know I'm at a stage where I can plan
my own karma,and I've seen all sorts of crazy realms, I'm not beyond the possibility that some
people simply don't have it happen. I'll get back to you much later on this one. Twice, I've had a
psychic premonition that someone was going to give me $20 instead of a $10 for change, which of
course I pointed out when it happened.
Kristal_Rose replies to joalis 
btw - how deeply did you get my prior comment. It had double meaning.
joalis replies to Kristal_Rose 
I don't know, I was thinking maybe when you told her you were deliberating, it seemed tongue in
cheek, like you knew you were going to let her ahead all along.
Innocent but accused... that's me sometimes. Maybe I'm emulating the essence of mischeviousness
without realizing it. Some innocent people people have a suspicious look about them. I've also had
people assume I'm angry when I'm not, but I know exactly what that is. Angry people seem to be
stuck in their angry mode, with no regard or awareness how loud or clumsy they are being.
Sometimes I get in the mood (usually in a hurry) not to care about noise or dropping things. I just
know that gets mistaken for anger. I've actually been in arguments over it. People convinced I'm
angry when I'm not. I even had one person try to argue with me that I must be on drugs without
realizing it. As if I wouldn't know.
Kristal_Rose replies to joalis 
Most of it was about heart centered 'higher' consciousness. The part I expected you to get
however was that as you said 'it wouldn't mean much if they give at the drop of a hat'. To improve
her sense of having had been nice to, I made it appear that I was making a sacrifice. However if she
were thinking, she'd realize that I wasn't a jerk, and only a jerk would have mentioned considering
a gift without offering it. I do do that at times, but it's in another context of visibly hoping the'll
coax it out of me, or honestly suggest they appreciate the thought, but I should keep it.
It's interesting how everyone has their own take on things. That events key into different
frameworks of perception and manifest differently in those personalities.
I also think certain types of people keep coming to you as a lesson until you understand a particular
situation. And surely you've noticed how one can see which couples fit with each other, either
because of their similarity, or complementary contrasting qualities. I find that when I've absorbed
someone's ways, we part paths, and I'm off to the next lesson.
joalis replies to Kristal_Rose 
That must be why I run into over-cautious intermeddlers... because I don't understand them! I
don't run into them nearly as much now as I used to, but when I do, I am still baffled. What are
they thinking/fearing?
I don't think that it doesn't mean much to give at the drop of a hat, in fact I think it means a lot. I
just think it's even more thoughtful when a person who doesn't really want to give does anyway. I'm
not sure if I can explain. I think there is more meaning and empathy when a person says "You need
this" than "I don't need this."
We are a product of our own experiences. That explains the different take on things. When two
people experience an event together, they may go away with different perceptions of it, but they
end up coming out of it a tiny bit more alike. 
Kristal_Rose replies to joalis 
"You need this : I don't need this." Beautiful compassion, but still a separate issue from sacrifice. I'll have to keep that in mind. Quite often I just look objectively at the planet as an ant farm, and consider who needs what the most based on the big picture (I've learned to take care of myself though).
You've illustrated some of the energy behind "the intent is more important.." I suppose we can part ways for now.
Over cautious inter-meddlers aren't sure whethar their actions are ultimately good or evil. Nice to run into you. :-) I'm not that cautious anymore, and far more inter-meddling. You learn much more taking unknown risks.

Why do you create surveys? 1.4.28

Kristal_Rose 
To provoke new thought and contemplations and exchange them, and sometimes just for fun.

ASexyBabe replies to BrianW 
Meta Meta Meta I am almost as tired of surveys about surveys as I am about surveys about god or
the bible or religion perios!!!! 
AAARRRGGGGHHHHHH

Kristal_Rose replies to ASexyBabe 1.5.01
You don't have to partake in any of them.
It's not just the meta's, it's a microcosm as well. Such things like mathematics become their own self contained worlds given time to evolve. How many movies have there been about movie making. How about that wing sacred to librarians with books about reference index sources. It's all entropy designed for a form to reveal its inner nature. Try writing about what you're writing. It can get pretty insane. Put a mirror up to the mirror. What's there? Infinity or nothing?

BrianW replies to Kristal_Rose 
Wow. That is really fucking deep.