I often run into the sort of strangers who
tell you what they think without asking. It doesn't bother me (live and
let live), but if I'm also talking to a stranger from an older generation
they are offended by what they hear.
Do you even know what Darwin originally wrote?
This last century has obscured the the other side of the coin he presented.
As far as secrecy and commitment in the church,
you bet. You present well an intriguing scenario, but most orders have
stuff that is just too intense to let the layman in on. A security clearance
makes a better analogy. and yes, the more intense stuff often contradicts
the lower teachings which exist for purposes like character screening
Stephanie Dalley's Myths from Mesopotamia
What percentage of people do you believe are less intelligent than you?
Kristal_Rose
If you use standard IQ tests (which I don't believe in) then probably about
90% since my IQ is
135-160. I have many shortcomings that cancel it out though: limited working
memory, and
scattered thought caused by complete shortcircuiting a few times per minute
("what was I just
thinking"). It's either some sort of ADD or temporal lobe epilepsy. I feel
gifted though in being
able to see big picture relationships that most people miss, though many
have this capability with
lower 'IQ's. There are so many types of gifts, for instance being able
to calm a wild animal is
something that won't show up on an IQ test.
Kristal_Rose replies to bill
I loved wiley e coyote, and get smart, and hogans heros, and tennessee
tuxedo. You should see the
stuff we made for our spy kits when I was young. I made some reference
to it to you long ago when
i logged in as 'turing', my retired weapons designer persona.
turing = turing test, touring, you rang?, & shroud of turin. I had
to vent some years of shelved
persona.
bill replies to Kristal_Rose
I liked all those TV shows too. Macquiver was good in that way too, though
I was too old by then (to
not see it as cheesy).
turing, tutoring, tudoring, two rings?
daver replies to bill
I just noticed your typo. I'm going to have to point it out to q.
K to daver - 1.1.27
If I'm lucky, yes, two rings; Cupids arrows are working. - Q-tip [another
prior online persona at SC]
Should Polygamy be allowed if it isn't where you live?
smurf
How can someone be totally committed in a relationship, when there is someone
else
involved? "I love you with all my heart" becomes an impossible statement,
when part of
your heart is focussed on someone else.
K to Smurf - 1.1.29
Do you love your mom? It is possible when all parties involved have
not a drop of jealousy, condemnation, or greed in them. there are physical
and environmental issues as well. The ancient seers knew that those circumstances
were so rare that it didn't bear publishing to the public at large. Perhaps
before the fall of the garden, we had the chance for everyone to be like
that. not all cultures are the same either. people forget that even in
america, marriages were frequently arranged until a century ago. in some
cultures (and even for some unfortunate westerners), love and marriage
are unrelated issues. the most fortunate person has an overflowing love
for everyone they meet. marriage and sex can be obstacles to that. if a
person has that sort of abundant selfless unconditional love, but still
has consciousness left over to enjoy sex, then it really shouldn't matter
with whom. it would be like a favoritism that precludes a person from consorting
with freinds or co-workers because they are devoted to their children.
the problem is that people usually don't even achieve that aforementioned
level of love with their spouse and believe it to be limited. but like
motocross racing and gambling and such, kids will be kids, life is often
to learn from mistakes. some good and much misery will probably come of
it, but people want adventure, even at the cost of their heart. and they
should be welcome to it. Remember, God could have made this creation nothing
but an eternal bliss of pure white light with no stories whatsoever.
What music are you listening to right now?
Kristal_Rose
I was going to run crying to you, but it looks like you'll be tapped out.
How can a date go that fantastic then get so negated?
Twistermime replies to Kristal_Rose
she's frightened
that's all
(((hug)))
K - 01.01.31
She was wide awake, intelligent, playful, a successful artist, and
agressive in a positive way. within an hour of our date, I was asking
her opinion on opinion on ancient life spans and she'd say 'F_ you' to
me, because she knew I knew and was just asking to see if she knew. We
searched for my kittens belly button, dug through old photos, discussed
sexual attitudes (she likes 'sport f_ing'), physics, family, spirit, utilizing
power, you name it, then went out for breakfast. I did later mention that
I made up my mind to marry her after the 10 minutes I spent with her at
that halloween party. She called a day after I decided that either drastic
measures or total surrender would be required to get her number. She called
me and appeared within an hour because she wanted my help on getting a
TV script produced.
She's kind of like my zealous twin. She did say in her goodbye mail
that I was intense and should focus that. She said she just wanted to be
a freind and I would have always wanted more.
I suspect she's too much a free spirit to consider marrying anyone
though. At least she's bi.
Did Adam and Eve have belly buttons?
Kristal_Rose
What are there the first documents pertaining to Lilith?
bill replies to Kristal_Rose
diatribes! ...well, I fixed it for you.
Enheduanna replies to Kristal_Rose
There's a reference to a lilith (small "l") in Isaiah (roughly late 8th
century
BC), but the reference there is just to a generic demon of the lilith-type.
The
lilith was a demon in Mesopotamian (Babylonian, primarily) demonology;
she
was a succubus, and liked to trick men (especially married ones) into
sleeping with her and getting her pregnant. The first references to Lilith
(with
capital "L") as a specific character in Judaic lore don't come until the
Babylonian Talmud, roughly 1st-2nd centuries AD. This is anywhere from
500 to 1000 years after the creation stories of Genesis were written. Genesis
1 is generally dated (roughly) around the late 6th or 5th century BC, and
Genesis 2 (roughly) between the 10th and 8th centuries BC. There is nothing
about Lilith in either of the creation stories in Genesis, nor is there
any
statement in either of them that the woman created in Genesis 1 was
disobedient and that she was killed and another woman created in chapter
2.
The two versions of the creation have no cognizance of each other and
therefore no relation to one another. They are simply two separate versions
of the creation myth. While the Lilith story is interesting as folklore,
I think it's
a serious stretch as an interpretation of the text of Genesis 1-2.
Kristal_Rose replies to Enheduanna
thank you so much. i'm slanting more towards polytheism on all levels these
days. of course
it's all god and of a single origin, but consider the possibility that
god opted for amnesia and
provided a safeguard of infinitely recombinant thought-matter that has
no choice after an
infinite period of time of regaining ultimately comprehensive self-awareness.
it would explain
a lot of my experience.
I didn't really expect lilith reference in genesis (just maybe). I have
seen what I believe
was a mesopotamian(?) earthly demon-lord in a meditation. (12' tall goat-locust
looking thing
on throne in desert with slaves and whips) (baal? anything similar to so
something
documented?) But now you strike my curiosity about how old testament writings
may have
inherited if at all from other more ancient or neighboring cultures like
mesopotamia.
I'm glad you're finally offering your knowledge. If you publish a book,
I want to buy the
first signed copy. (hand manuscripts or interactive animated CD's would
work too.)
bill replies to Kristal_Rose
You might enjoy reading Towing Jehovah. ....this gives away the ending
a bit,
but... they determine that God kills himself in order to allow humanity
to grow up.
To step aside and let us become 'adults', not falling back on Him for support
and
moral backbone anymore. I found it a surprisingly poignant conclusion to
an
otherwise sarcastic novel.
Enheduanna replies to Kristal_Rose
I don't really know enough about iconography to answer your question, although
I
think Baal tends to appear in the form of a bull. Hence the "golden calf"
episode
in the Bible.
As for Mesopotamian influence on the Bible, there's plenty of it! You have
only to
read the Epic of Gilgamesh or Enuma Elish (the Babylonian Creation) to
see it. In
Enuma Elish, people are created from clay, just as Adam is made from dirt.
In
Gilgamesh, Enkidu, the wild man, lives in the wilderness, a place which
is
represented by the Sumerogram "EDIN." Sounds an awful lot like "Eden" to
me.
Plus Enkidu lives with the animals until the harlot comes and "civilizes"
him; in
Genesis, God creates the animals and doesn't find a fitting mate for Adam
among
them, and so creates woman. Some see this as a conscious rejection of the
Enkidu tradition where man does live happily with the animals. There's
also a
Mesopotamian flood story called Atra-hasis which is remarkably similar
to the
biblical version. It's difficult to say how and when Mesopotamian myths,
or
thought in general, influenced Israelite ones (mostly because of issues
of dating
of texts), but it's certain that they did. If you're interested in reading
some of these
myths, Stephanie Dalley's Myths from Mesopotamia is a good source. It's
a
Penguin Classic, so it's affordable and fairly easy to find.
Enheduanna replies to bill
Yup, little snakelettes always biting at little human-baby-heels. Pretty
prosaic.
OK, look at Gen 1:27 broken up into three parts:
"God created man in His image,
in the image of God He created him,
male and female he created them."
The first two lines say the same thing, just inverted in order. The third
line restates the second
one, but switches the sentence order and explains that "him" (i.e. man)
really equals male and
female. If man is A, God's image is B, and male and female is C then it's
sort of like A = B, B =
A, C = A. And therefore, C = B as well!
That probably didn't help, did it?
As for apocalyptic literature, it's not really my area of expertise. It
tends mostly to be fairly
late in composition, generally in the Roman period when things were pretty
shitty for the Jews
and they were predicting the end of the world a lot. Daniel is one of the
latest biblical books
(usually dated to the second century BCE*), and the only real apocalyptic
literature that's
preserved in the Hebrew Bible, although some of the prophets do have apocalyptic
visions as
well. As far as New Testament goes, I believe Revelation is the only apocalyptic
text as well.
However, there is a fairly large corpus of deutero-canonical and non-canonical
apocalyptic
literature from the Roman period. The deutero-canonical, or apocryphal,
books are those which
are included in the canon by the Orthodox and Catholic Churches (so you
might be familiar with
them): books like Tobit, Judith, Maccabees. The Apocrypha is generally
sandwiched in between
the two testaments in bibles which contain it. Part of one apocryphal book,
2 Esdras, is
apocalyptic (other parts of the Apocrypha might be as well; I'm just not
very familiar with it).
There is also a large corpus of non-canonical apocalyptic literature collected
in J.
Charlesworth's Old Testament Pseudepigrapha, which I occasionally see at
bookstores around
here, if you're interested. The Harvard Bookstore might have it. Pseudepigrapha
means "false
writing," and is generally used of writings attributed to an author (say,
Moses) but not actually
written by that person. They didn't have quite the same standards on plagiarism
in the ancient
world that we have today! "The Pseudepigrapha" referred to as a corpus
of writing generally
includes those texts which didn't even make it into the Apocrypha. There's
also a fair amount of
apocalyptic literature among the sectarian writings of the Dead Sea Scrolls.
Apocalyptic cults
were fairly common in the early centuries CE, right around and just after
the Romans destroyed
the Jerusalem temple.
* I prefer to use the abbreviations BCE (Before the Common Era) and CE
(Common Era), rather
than BC and AD, since the latter are explicitly theological. Even though
the BCE/CE system uses
the same theological date as its turning point, it's a slightly more academic
way of referring to
the eras.
Kristal_Rose
and is God a plural subject?
Enheduanna replies to Kristal_Rose
Well, not exactly, but it depends on whom you ask! One of the divine names,
"Elohim," is a plural, but is probably a holdover from an earlier, polytheistic
system and always occurs with a singular verb form. "Adonai" is also a
plural,
but is used less frequently; the other names for God are singular. There
are a
few places (which I think were mentioned in some earlier comments on this
survey) where there is a plural form (other than a divine name, that is)
used in
reference to God, and these tend to be interpreted in one of two ways:
God
takes the so-called "plural of majesty" (like "let us make man in our image..."
[Gen 1:26]), or he's talking to other divine beings. I tend to go with
the latter
argument, and say that in the earlier stages, God was clearly conceived
of as
being a member of a pantheon. The overwhelming majority of instances where
God is the subject, he's in the singular.
Boy or Girl?
Kristal_Rose replies to Twistermime 1.2.10
Oh, I just went shopping for baby toys tonight. My neighbor's having a
shower tomorrow. I
hardly even talk to her and just spent a months spending money.
It was so disappointing. Aisles of baby/toddler toys and none as educational
as the ones I grew
up with. The ones I had taught sequence, gravity, friction, kinetic transfer,
geometry
manipulation, leverage, spectral placement, pattern recognition and mapping.
They were
comprehensively interactive.
The ones now are pure entertainment. A baby doesn't have a chance in h_ll
of figuring out how
these things work. the musical toys don't even correlate tones with notes
in sequence, it's all
random. I almost wonder if it's a plot against education. A simple old
rainbow xylophone teaches
far more than any of these modern toys.
I was dismayed to find that you can enter college these days without having
mastered grammer
AND still get an MBA in half the time it took even 20 years ago. I feel
like the last Murlock
amongst the Ilois.
hildagard
I don't know why, but I swear, if when I get pregnant discover that I will
have a girl, I'm going
to abort. I want a boy so much. I guess it's because before me, my mother
had a boy who died
after he was born.
anonymous #1 replies to hildagard
You are a sick evil person if you would abort your baby because of its
gender.
they replies to hildagard
That is really fucked up.
Twistermime replies to hildagard
That's the most horrible thing I've ever read on this site.
Kristal_Rose replies to Twistermime
Yes it is, but read profoundly between the lines. Few of us have the power
to say the buck
stops here. tragic incarnate.
ASexyBabesToy replies to hildagard
I believe when you said it you were having strong feelings about having
a boy. I don't believe
you would abort your baby if you were pregnant. Look at the bright side.
If you did have a girl
you can always try again.
Kristal_Rose replies to hildagard
Or your daughter could live to try.
Kristal_Rose replies to hildagard
I wish for your sake you could abort this preceding dialogue. Hopefully
you won't have to
petition everyone seperately to reserve judgement.
Do you ever think of yourself as a boy that was aborted and had to start
over as woman? or
that your existence was bought with anothers flesh? (and amends to the
gender pool need
made?).
I would imagine that if you don't want a girl, you feel shortcomings (short
of glorius admiration)
for your own unconditionally deserved life as a woman. If I were you, I'd
wait till I saw a bit
more of the awe of being amongst beings before having a kid. To cherish
life.
Abortion saddens me but I don't hold you accountable for your viewpoint.
I will though.
(*tear-drop*)
When you have sex, do you prefer to be on top
or underneath?
Kristal_Rose replies to Lauren
I was just wanting one of those huge victorian tubs tonight. I can go nine
hours totally
uninterupted with a half hour break, but that's for a more transcendental
than sensory
experience. I do appreciate silk ties though. I've tried about everything
positive. 'The joy of
sex' was my reading when i hit puberty. I just had one of my hot teacher
friends try to seduce
me the other night. I mostly craved intimate conversation, but she ended
up talking on the
phone to another girlfriend most of the evening. She's recently married.
I plan to tell her that
I can't because I'd be contributing to the same sort of unfaithfulness
that disappointed me
with her call. I'm thinking to change my mind back and wait till I'm at
least quite steady or
engaged. My motivation isn't lust and my recent exploits are making that
clear to me. My wife
used to have affairs (my backfired idea) so I've even tried threesome in
a halfhearted
attempt at being open minded. Actually I'd probably be much better at such
now that I'm a
bi-lesbian half-woman instead of a hetero male. You should here some of
my wild ideas for new
family/relationship structures that actually solve a few problems while
allowing diversity.
Kristal_Rose replies to Lauren
Oh, here's a comment I was going to send you a couple nights ago when I
was still struggling
with my connection set-up. (It went out again which reminded me):
Eventually I'd love to. I just got a new computer and am busy setting it
up at the moment. (tons
of other projects going too) I wouldn't call you confusing. I just didn't
pay great attention yet.
You didn't strike me as either as a significant teacher or student of art,
engineering, or
spiritual sciences. I'll pay you more attention now. Ok? I'm almost purely
visual. I'll have to see
if you have a photo posted so I can set up a framework for my memories.
Lauren replies to Kristal_Rose
I'm actually not incredibly interesting so I understand if I didn't stand
out to you. I can be
summarized as almost an existentialist. A lot of the theories that are
presented characterize
how I live most of my life. Such works that have really enlightened me
are "Demian" and "The
Stranger" it really allows a person to see a different point of view on
things.
Kristal_Rose replies to Lauren
Existentialists can be quite interesting, especially if they believe in
transcending all history and
physics with a world of their own that goes beyond sci-fi and cartoons.
That existentialism
(which has been called the spanda karikas for a millenia) allows the creation
of worlds of
dualism, pantheism, etc. Try collecting the whole set. Existentialism is
when you see every
detail in every second being written, it's when you renounce your spirit
and find yourself an
hour later in the middle of an earthquake that downs most of the downtown.
A true
existentialist is the ultimate adventurer.
Lauren
Yeah, that is true. I want to experience so much of the world, but that
can be applied to a lot
of people. A part that singles me out a bit more is that, when I experience
something, I look at
it from the more unconventional way sometimes. For instance Herman Hesse's
version of the
bible story of the two theives on the cross with Jesus. Society praises
the thief who announced
that Jesus was the son of God, and denounces the thief who stuck to his
convictions and did not
believe in God. But "Demian" portrays a different angle in which the thief
who stuck to his
personal beliefs is a stronger man, because he did not give in to fear
or that of those around
him. This portrayal fascinates me, it allows me to think and rethink modern
views. Of course I
am not a true existentialist, but who is? When Franz Kafka was classified
as an existentialist,
he screamed out no, and denied everything. But if you examine his book
"The Metamorphasis"
existentialism can be clearly seen throughout the story. With me, there
are so many different
levels of who I am sometimes, that I'm not even sure of myself or those
around me.
Kristal_Rose
Believing that interacting in love with everyone is the best purpose we
can have here helps keep
in your check your doubt in their existence. 12 Years ago I had a rocket
awakening in which I
was doubting the concrete under my feet and having high telepathy. I've
been learning solidly
ever since. It was hard to love and respect people when I couldn't believe
in them because
they lived the script I was quietly writitg for them. Until you are omniscient
and omnipotent
though, if things go on with an apparent order or plan that are not from
you waking
consciousness, then there is still sometning to call God. If you take the
postion that it has
created all, or better yet, is the substance and plan of it all, then whethar
it is centered deep
in your mind or on a cloud somewhere is a moot point, a trifle of geography.
Clinton is the
president even if he's in a plane over Angola. Lately I've been entertaining
the scariest notions
yet; That God forgot and scattered, making us a pantheistic multiple-existentialism.
As long as
their is a recombinant substrate that lasts for eternity, god's total self
self awareness wil
ultimately return, it just may take a few trillion eons.
On top, on bottom, side by side with gods and goddesses. It all works for
me. Our philosophy is
compatable, now I'm curious, what does your hair look like, how do you
dress, and do you live in
Java or anywhere near LA,CA,US?
Kristal_Rose replies to Lauren
Gee, it looks I forgot to address my comment to you too. It's been there
quite a' time now.
See above.
Lauren replies to Kristal_Rose
I know exactly what you mean. Somewhere in the back of my mind I have been
thinking about
the samethings as you have, it just took someone to say them out loud for
me to realize the
intertanglements within my universe.
I look like... medium length brown hair, 5'6/7, umm... and located in GA,
so yeah that's in the
US. What about you? Where are you? What do you look like? And what other
sorts of
existance/intriguing thoughts are flying through your head?
Kristal_Rose replies to Lauren
My ultimate reality exists only in the moment. History and future are only
alternative channels
for what is being generated on the fly from an infinite timeless pool of
memory archetypes. I
ran into a woman who lives a moment behind the inception of creation. A
realm where history has
pemanence and reality is built on the building blocks of ancient happenings.
I can experience
that, but for me such is a dream and at any moment the entire nature of
the entire universe can
change physics, form, communication frequencies, etc. including the undoing
of any history. I've
hopped through planes of existence before, but this is the first time I
peered into an adjacent
temporal dimension. One that theoretically could not exist from where I
am, but does. It's like
I met the living undead, the Sincrosas Apetitosas champagne particle stream
leaving through a
wormhole becomes the river styx to hades where eternity means frozen, not
formless.
And she confides, she's not a lesbian, after I've started falling in love.
I sit at home and
correctly channel her bopping her new neighbors. and yet she's infected
me with forgotten
emotions like jealousy, and the passing of time. Futile mortality. Aggravating.
Letting my mate
choose my anatomy gender probably isn't a sales point. I guess I should
expediate my
operation and find a true lesbian, or go straight.
That's what's been running through my head these past couple / few days.
Next week it will be
something else. My spirit is always on the move.
6' ; honey-amber-black hair (lion-tiger-eagle flow) to bottom of shoulder
blades ; hazel (jade
& orange) eyes. I post pictures on my site at www.ereiam.com.
Do you think that aliens and/or your government are controlling your mind?
Kristal_Rose
No, just twisty's cat. [it has a microchip implanted]
Twistermime
I have an implant. It isn't aliens or the government that put it there
though. My mad scientist
brother did it.
Jane
Actually, I'm currently reading Brave New World, so I'm feeling a little
paranoid, better go
take my soma so I feel better....j/k
kate replies to Twistermime
Dr. Frankenstein, I presume.
Twistermime replies to kate
oh...much much better
Kristal_Rose replies to Jane
'Brave New World' is the happy innocent book. Try '1984' next (121 in the
year of our Ford). It
will make you take a different look at the media and the nature of power
(measured in attention
capture).
Kristal_Rose replies to Jane
or Farenheit 451 (not worth reading) where they burned all the books. Imagine
someone being
able to control whethar or not you could read certain things or at all
by setting some server
filters. Back in 1980 when a home computers hard drive couldn't even hold
one high resolution
photo, they had software (Eliza for the TRS-80) that acted like consulting
a psychiatrist. They
don't mention that technology existed these days. Why all your chat partners
could even be
computer generated. And history.. they taught us back in highschool that
the soviets would
rewrite the history books every few years, but not in the US of course.
Ever see the television
news change radically a week later without so much as a retraction apology?
They can make
movies now that are hyperlinked collages. Imagine when someone changes
a master-file and all
zebras in movies are now (and were always) green and orange.
jkiehart
...who wants to know?
Jane replies to Kristal_Rose
Yeah, I'll check out 1984 next. I'm finding Brave New World pretty interesting,
especially the
way they condition everyone to be uniform and vacant, it's so hard to imagine.
I read Fahrenheit
451 in 8th grade, and I didn't really like it, but I think I may have been
to immature to
comprehend the social commentary. Yeah, technology is really capable of
some crazy stuff, it's
kinda scary.
Kristal_Rose replies to Jane
Educational standards on everything from baby toys to MBA's to TV are half
what they used to
be. The alphas of the 60's created the betas (entertainment techs) of today.
Few of us can
appreciate that native reservation. Eventually the beta's will become the
Ilois of 'the time
machine' (worth reading). The engineering mindset (cooking from scratch)
mindset is no longer
needed or fostered. Fortunately guiding angelic forces are immune to social
mindframes of the
times.
Interestingly the stuff in that book that would have been thought horrifying
and unlikely to
occur two generations ago is taken for granted as the way it is now. Even
five years ago people
didn't believe me when I said that cloning research is going on behind
the scenes and will be
widely accepted around now.
What is the most romantic and/or unique marriage
proposal you've heard of?
I took Tara to a valentine theme restauraunt with tons of love letters
in table boxes, baby toys, dolls, disney, victorian & krshna energy
covering the walls I spent my first night at her place. She recoils when
i touch her, and unless tired has sexual doublespeak, that requires tough
navigation. I told her i thought of her as my wife and we made candy and
banana bread. I also got her sets of hand blown champagne glasses as a
house warmer for her art receptions (she just got accepted in three galleries,
one a beverly hills co-op juried show, the others in AZ & NM).
I labeled my last email 'proposal'. (she want's me to make her a web
site) and ended with 'catch that bouquet, please?' (her sister's marrying).
She did everything from 'Devil at your Door' to prancing-horse, egg
sizzling, cheese mouse, island mud mask dinosaur imps, pirate clown stone
fish, spookie pie, mosquito blood electronica, black widow / hammock nest,
fire cat, cold black frames, cabaret, lime shurbut moon tidepools, international
furniture design pinnacle, mommy. She showed me a forgotten LA with good
water, amazing architecture, we walked an inter building cat walk between
studio complexes where rust mesh and old ivy made it a log bridge on which
you could forget the mesh & rail & walk 50' in the air.
How would you rate the job being done by NASA
-- the U.S. space agency?
dab
Even if sending more money towards those problems won't make them better?
The primary
resources available in greater quantities in space than here on Earth are
energy and minerals. More
important than availability, we don't have to trash the environment we're
living in to get them.
Kristal_Rose replies to dab 1.3.5
Imagine a moon of jupiter with a fusion reactor beaming power to earth
and down to jupiter where
laser propulsion sends mass to that moon as fuel. We could live for billions
of years just consuming
jupiter as fuel. Or we could use nano-fusion (another idea of mine) where
hungry molecules are
designed to programmatically create a chain reaction of surface attraction
vacancies that fractally
append the mass while controlled-releasing bonds as energy. It would create
a drained by-product
more dismal than ice-nine, but at least not a dangerous contaminant. I
wouldn't risk experimenting
with such tech on Earth though.
Brian replies to Kristal_Rose
Except, Jupiter is the planet that's kept from being perputually bombarded
with asteroids. Sure,
every milennia a couple creep through, but overall Jupiter's done a nice
job taking bullets for good
ol' Mother Earth.
Kristal_Rose replies to Brian
Are you sure it's gravitational mass wasn't what brought them here in the
first place?
dab
By the time we have the technology to do anything serious to Jupiter, we'll
be out there in a big way.
Then it's time to leave Earth behind, leave it fallow for what comes next.
Evidence suggests that a
good asteroid strike makes way for some serious evolutionary change.
Kristal_Rose replies to dab
I saw an intergalactic asteroid in last nights meditation, with a trail
as wide as the milkyway.
Which of these pets have you ever owned?
Kristal_Rose replies to albert
Are woodrats, hedgehogs, and capybara mice too?
Excuse me, I mean generally considered mice?
Kristal_Rose
This survey deserves a reward of some sort.
Rattus pinkus farticus.
anonymous #3 replies to Kristal_Rose
and what about prairie dogs and beavers?
Kristal_Rose 1.3.5
oooh, sexy.
Star Trek told me the computer would help me find my Animal Guide (which
i thought
was the crow). And this was the only survey on my new completed list after
the show.
Thank You for the info.
anonymous replies to Kristal_Rose 1.3.5
you're very welcome!
Kristal_Rose replies to anonymous 1.3.6
I had quite a meditation last night. I wore oils of rose, sandalwood,
sage, opium, narcissus, ginger, jasmine, honeysuckle, patchoulli, and spearmint.
I saw some sort of lynx or snow leapoard (white mane and white spots),
giant beaver, a giraffe, a white owl, a black cobra, a giant clam, a kangaroo,
and a cockatoo. Not a bad collection of guides at all. I was some opulent
gold headressed deiess amidst viney jungles through history, and was filled
with electricity when i visited who i think was Solomon. He had a long
white beard and an aura of thin purple-blue line surrounding star-field
& deep space.
Do you consider that rats are mice?
The capybara (a huge aquatic rodent of so. america) was designated
as a fish by the conquistadores. The cook-outs on Good Friday sure beat
the ones at home.
What song(s) would you like to have played or
sung at your funeral?
ss
How important is compatibility between two zodiac
signs? 1.3.6
Struggling to continue. Were both Aries and knew what to expect from
the start. Bont of us have to be right, and I suspect she too takes positions
she doesn't even believe in just for arguments sake. last we were together
I was totally casing on techno music which she said I didn't get. I didn't
tell her I grew up on Kraftwerk, Joy Division, Stockhausen, Fripp &
Eno, etc. I was really arguing that we shouldn't have eaten the tree of
knowledge though. We have some heavily fundamentally serious subtle irreconcilable
differences on the proper nature of consciousness.
What profession would you never want to try? 1.3.7
Kristal_Rose to juliw
Interesting selection. I might want to try theater-zookeeper (what is that
btw?), empire washer,
pres-prostitute (naw, just a plain pres). I was installing phone lines
when I was 7, my last
venture involved vacuuming string through the buildings ancient central
refrigeration lines
which I used to string a second line (back in my 900-line psychic days)
from the basement
circuit box to my apartment. I found that professional installers these
days don't have to know
a darn thing about electronic engineering. When I was kid I had the entire
apt. building
hooked to my phone (boring). Also I could use any speaker as phone (simulating
rotary dial
clicks (never did master whistling touch-tones though (know how to play
a scale and melodies
on the phones though))).
So what do you want to do?
juliw replies to Kristal_Rose
The dashes are just to separate my various answers. I meant to write clerk
or usher at an all
night adult theater, then write zookeeper. The same goes for prostitution
and being president
of the united states. I think I would to be a travel guide or travel writer,
a teacher, an
advertising copywriter, or a software engineer. CEO of America Online would
be good, too,
but that job is already filled.
juliw replies to Kristal_Rose
And as for the telephone installer, I meant the people who get way up in
those cherry pickers
and work on the high wires.
Kristal_Rose to juliw
I was just tempted to climbing the high tension towers the other day.
Perhaps because my baby sitter at age 5 was a trapeze artist. A week ago
I was walking several stories on a metal grate cat walk and just looking
at the ground below as if walking on air. My neighbor was trying to get
her cat to go out on the porch. My quiet show-off cat then took an aerial
shortcut towards the stairs. I live in the epicenter of a Bermuda triangle
in LA where all the streets meet in a triangle, surrounded by power substations
and several radio stations, one of which I've talked about metaphysics
on during lunch (KABC). Crows and Parrots gather here. I have a park in
the Blair Woods a few blocks away (where aforementioned tower temptation
resides) which affords a 360 panorama of LA. I do Easter sunrise, solstices
and such there where I can watch hawks soar below me. I find fantastic
relics there. Last time was a fossilized bone, a rusty 1963 license plate
(my birth year) with 2001 tags, and a piece of wood formed like a sea monster,
scorpion, mole. Afterwards I attempted identifying the peaks adnexed lignocoulus
agaricus w/ white spores (shroom). The park hosts a beautiful lotus pond
too.
- You have a nice combo. Are you using any of those talents/inclinations
now?
Would you ever go on Junkyard Wars or Scrapheap
Challenge?
jjg
Only with Daver.
Kristal_Rose replies to jjg
Not a real nut like me who makes bicyle powered air compressors to airbrush
with or attempts
powering my old cabin with steam generators, methane lamps, etc.
jjg replies to Kristal_Rose
I know Daver outside of SC, and he is MacGuyver. Also, you just can't beat
a Scotsman at finding
uses for junk.
Kristal_Rose replies to jjg
I'm a Logan. I have that heritage of making everything from rocks and
sticks (and even the sticks were made from peat and rocks) Believe me,
ziplocks get washed, paper towels move from dirty to dirtier messes, boxes
fill with scrap metal, plastic, etc. Basically I make my own everything.
I have boxes labelled with everything for instance I have a couple boxes
of 'sea soles', soles of ancient shoes washed up on shore which I use for
macabre looking sculptural installations. I once (over a decade) created
about 1000 crates of sorted Citroën car parts. They had 58 categories
of metal parts ie upper door trims and I could tell you which year on which
models they changed from 5x.75 to 5x.80 bolts (& visually discern pitch).
Why they even had a 5x.90 pitch on one of the Ducellier spark coil terminals
in the late 50's. I used to make complete factory quality wiring looms
from scratch (oem bullet connectors), make complex ovoid AC housings, and
I was resourceful in technique too, for instance I shaved 6 hours off a
wiper linkage repair (customer ha'd to be out of state in a hurry) by welding
through the air duct instead of removing the dash. Citroëns even had
hydraulic computers; I figured if I learned to work on them, I could work
on anything.
jkiehart replies to Kristal_Rose
I'm on the whole other side of the continent in NY, NY.
Kristal_Rose replies to jkiehart
That answers the question I posed two seconds ago. Is that your flavor
of prescience (if such can
be said to exist amongst creative people)? I was going to propose we meet
astrally, or at least in
dreams. Have you tried time travel yet? What spectrums are you working
on? Water, Air, Fire,
Earth, Electricity, Magnetism, What colors / pitches? narrative history
energy? exceeded earth's
timeline? How do you use the word? Intuition, dreaming, astral flight,
...
Are you writing politics, science, theology, psychology, arts, climate,
war disease famine and their
cures, etc. etc. into being? Working on teleportation yet? Met all your
basic deities? Stopped
time? Opened worm holes or black holes? Controlling sattellite communications?
Propogating
species? Working on several planes, perhaps even multiple dimensions?
- This list is far far short of omnipotent. And you can do all this and
still be short of actually seeing
the source of your very own creation. Perhaps we should say "Potentially
omnipotent" or "Becoming
omnipotent". Show up at my doorstep in a few minutes and I'll let you off
the hook.
jkiehart replies to Kristal_Rose
By omnipotent, I meant I'm a know-it-all!
- I'm afraid of astral flight. What if I can't get back into my body? I've
read that that happens.
What if I was astral projecting and my body died? Would my soul know what
to do?
- Stopping time is a dream of mine! But how would aging work? Would I still
age at the
normal pace? I can't imagine that I would, but then I imagine that indeed
I would age at the
"normal rate."
Kristal_Rose replies to jkiehart 1.3.12
Astral flight: I make a prayer first that i will end up back in my
body and with nothing more damaging than memories. But ultimately I don't
believe we are physical anyhow, so it doesn't matter. When I first became
a minister I had to talk to a ton of disenfranchised souls who were out
of body but hadn't moved on, so yeah, it can happen unfortunately.
Stopping time: There are three ways I've encountered so far, the easiest
is like being the sprung wound axle of a set of clock gears. You let everything
from the periphery to the center (you) just freeze into non-form. It's
not like you get to play ageless.
In the second, you simply divorce the actors from bindings with history;
let them perform anything without it having had to have had a history,
this one is fun in conjunction with not seeing time flow in particular
direction. Once you know about the many levels of cause and effect, you
can even replace the old "A then B" with "B now, then A later in the past."
The only reason we even say B follows A is because we let our memory become
unidirectional: from point B in time we also remember A, but most of us
can not remember B from point A. When your memory covers the future too,
saying time travels in a particular direction is fairly arbitrary.
The third method is to lock unlimited time-light in it's amorphous
illusion of physical state to history slices like animation frozen in stone.
It's Einsteins old E=mc**2 with the added provisions that you consider
yourself the creative experiential center of the time energy flow, and
replace a constant speed of light with one that goes from a standstill
to infinity. The limits infinitely short of stopped or infinite particularly
tweak with matter if i remember my calculations correctly. Seen in this
way, every moment of history lives permanently frozen in matter. It was
a spooky revelation for me who until just a month ago believed solely in
an amorphous, timeless, realm of light interplay created in the moment.
Spooky I suppose because it implied there were dimensions of reality that
truly were out of the jurisdiction of creation in the moment.
Describe the types of images you have on your
bedroom walls and/or ceiling. 1.3.8
20's glass fairy prints, Egytian relics, Japanese women and nature
paintings, abstracts, watercolors of forests beaches lotus ponds, postcards
of driftwood shacks and spaceage architicture, photos of the kids, dream
catchers, balinese theater puppets, butterflies w/ grasses under glass
and silver guilding, stained glass windows made by the kids, paisley tapestries,
bones shells stones and crystals in the shape of deities, antique exotic
jewelry, postcards from land-of-the-lost and star-trek, classical/swing/punk/intl
vinyl colloction, pond painting, shimmering shell beaded curtains, home
made designer lava-lamps, a 6' tall burl of redwood, coca-cola memorabilia,
tons of white wicker including headboard and a princess throne which hovers
near the ceiling, troll dolls & such, a 'beach party' movie poster,
3D glasses & antique viewmaster / keystone collection, celestial paintings
and pillow, stone sculptures (a vaginal siva-trimurti I spent a year on
and a green Alaskan stone filled wih gold I attemptedsculpting with an
oxy-acetalene torch), lots of stork and swan lamps and paintings, polychromatic
raku vases, silk prints, hula-hoops, 60's flourescent piggybank and floral
picture frames, art-noveau lily lamp and other antique lamps, 1920-60's
office supplies like flipping calendar, UFO pencil sharpener, various pyramids
from metal pink bunny shade to pharoahs helmet which is actually a model
of the kabbalistic tree-of-life I made for molecular modelling, sunglass
collection, antique Martin saxaphone, fresh and dried floral arrangements,
metaphysical library, homemade ritual candles and incensce burners, 60's
princess pincushion with headress of rainbow pearl hatpins, 40's 'vogue'
hats, 60's aquamarine hoover celebrity vacuum (looks like UFO), tons and
tons of mirrors, mirrored disco ball, lots of Betty-Boop paraphernalia,
Huge driftwood collection including walking staves, dragonflies, WWII ashtray
made from 80mm shell inscribed with Samoa officers club and palm trees
and other antique lighters, blown glass things, crystal balls, collection
of dozens of exotic perfume essential oils, art pads, 1000's of post-it
notes, dual monitor orange computer, turn of the century oil paint suitcase,
file cabinets, plano cases of art supplies, misc. sculptures by kids, abalone
shells, hand tri-tone framed blackboard, painting of sun as seen from under
swamp, antique toy collection that serves as metaphysical diary, antique
christmas decor, oil lamps, antique metaphysical tools like 30's lead-lined
dental x-ray cabinet' antique purse collection...
All this and tools and furniture in a 10' x 12' bedroom/livingroom.
and some things others have, for instance a chrome robot arm draped
with black bridal cloth supports a blue-neon black telephone, I have castle
postcards from friends, but most of that sort of thing is contained in
volumes of plastic sleeve notebooks. I even have Cinderellas castle on
a porcelain bell with Tinkerbell, and a Pluto flip book I got at disneyland
back in 1968 when I was 5.
The next room is the kitchen and would take as long to describe. I
could summarise it as: occult herb collection stored in coca-cola bottles,
spiritual knick-knacks cabinet, art-studio, and 60's rocket-deco appliances
and houseplants.
What do you think other SC users would say about
you if they were asked to tell
what they know about you from your comments
on SC? 1.3.11
Perhaps your [anonymous comment] box is malfunctioning. You did say
you don't care what people think, didn't you? This site seems often to
use a very modern communication ethic, crass honesty, which hopefully,
not only for SC but for society at large will evolve into something more
compassionate. In the mean time, to play along you may have to have an
ego tough as nails.
You will get a warmer response when you drop being anonymous. Sure,
some people will curse you for an attitudude, but they might do likewise
if they didn't like a happy-face decal on your middle toe. Don't take it
too personally. Don't get hurt by other sensitive hurt people, just amplify
with your inquiries and responses those who do behave sincerely and warmheartedly
as a carrier frequency for whatever their respectful personal viewpoints
might be. Just like life, it's a vibe war. What precedent will take root
and flow for how people interact.
Does anyone understand Women? 1.3.15
Kristal_Rose replies to anonymous
Just my 2¢. A woman stands a much better chance at understanding
another woman don't you think? And who said that either person in a relationship
has to fit either stereotyped role, or for that matter be denied doing
both. Love and sensuousness and whatever else might fill a good relationship
are natural expressions that will be fulfilled amongst any people that
put their trust in each other as suits there unique personalities. There
are people who love cats and people who hate cats, people who think their
lovers and intimate friends are roles to be filled by different people,
people who feel one way or another about abortion or motherhood or marriage,
etc etc. No argument can be made one way or another that any of these viewpoints
are products of confusion.
People here are going to respect you a lot more if you stop being anonymous.
there's a fairly decent amount of respect for peoples viewpoints here anyhow.
People are willing to accept you even if they don't like all that you have
to say. I think most of us here would prefer to deal with genuine people
who express and stand for what they say, and hopefully have their serious
dialogue in a manner that reflects the compassion and sensitivity of the
manner of those who will stick it out to be friends in spite of their differences.
If you don't want to be our friend in spite of the respect that tends to
be offered here, why should we even want you here? If, on the other hand,
you are anonymous because you are sensitive to risk of losing your interpersonal
connection here, then I suggest you don't even bother to say such stuff.
Practice finding what works in non-anonymity. If you are trying to practice
righteousness, then I remind you that God judges by what is in your heart.
and that I feel would be taking the risk to speak as a friend.
Do you have a personal relationship with Jesus
Christ? 1.3.15
Kristal_Rose replies to smurf
btw. I learned telepathic communication with animals more than a decade
before I developed it with humans and it's still 10 times stronger.
I suppose telepathic communication with something still doesn't guarantee
it has a soul, but I sure would have had trouble biting that one even without
the ESP. Rabbi's go through an effort to deal with an animals soul during
slaughter. You realise that very little of the religious world shares your
belief. Do all people have souls in your book (excepting those who lost
or sold theirs)?
Dang, where'd that thing go? I'm sure I had it yesterday. Oh No!!!
The cat's got it! What am I going to do now? Mommmmm! What's the matter
Billy? Cat got your soul? Told ya not to leave it on the floor.
Have you ever taped songs off the radio? 1.3.16
When I was a kid I had about 8 hours of solid no-duplicate, no commercials,
favorites compilations off of Dr. Demento. Later I got into collecting
Punk and New Wave. We had some great womens music (when the tom-tom club
came out) off the college radio on 8-track. My favorite college tape had
the disc jockeys going wild with three turn-tables at once playing Stockhausens
'metal machine music', some indian ragas, and the Velvet underground w'
lou reed all in perfect harmony. Those were the days. I'm thinking to take
it up again. I remember the reel-to-reels too. I think I had one.
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Kristal_Rose replies to drdt
Speaker to mic? When i was 10 I had patch outlets wired into everything
including the phone (which I had connected to the entire building). I could
broadcast my cousin/neighbor's calls over my Zenith Cobramatic Console
to the whole neighborhood. That thing played a lot of Ventures, Jailhouse
rock, White Album, Beach Boys, Hair, and Carpenters.
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micah
What's a radio?
Kristal_Rose replies to micah
It was a mechanical device back from before people just passed along mp3's
telepathically. It too
was aided by a crystal reciever.
msgman replies to Kristal_Rose
Excellent :-)
micah replies to Kristal_Rose
Hehehe....Liquid crystal? Was it ever on display?
Kristal_Rose replies to micah
You be careful of those Gamma Ray Bursts.
micah replies to Kristal_Rose
I don't deal with thermonuclear fusion on a day to day basis....do you?
Kristal_Rose replies to micah
Daily no, frequently, yes. I was even beginning to wonder if I was deluding
mysely about the energy
fountains and vortexes I've been creating at home, since my sight hasn't
been sensitive enough te
see this stuff in a year, but my girlfriend visited and noticed and commented,
so I feel much less
doubt. My auras were the same way, I'd sculpt myself one in say green and
purple, and I could
never even see it, but then I'd visit a friend and their guest would make
an unprovoked comment on
my green and violet aura.
The night before last I was at a rave, and that's when I most frequently
bring out the particle
projectors.
Have you ever seen a dolphin?1.3.16
At various shows and such. I've rescued a sea-lion, and seen a whale
while swimming at the beach (sharks too). My friend used to swim with them
at the beach. Hopefully that's on my agenda too.
romkey replies to micah
I have had a snake's gloopy yellowish-green breath fall on me, but never
a monkey's brown breath
thrown at me. I will have to spend more time with monkeys.
You're up early... or late.
micah replies to romkey
That's nasty. Did you throw it?
romkey replies to micah
I think I squealed like a pig.
micah
Pig squealing snakes with gloopy yellowish-green breath. You've had quite
a life, you realize that? I
would consider that experience a privilege! Not many people get to see
that.
romkey replies to micah
it's not that much fun when it's dripping in your eye, believe me...
micah replies to romkey
In your eye?!? You're kidding!!! Please tell me you're kidding!
romkey replies to micah
you see, a friend of mine put his pet snake on my head once...
micah replies to romkey
No! I told you to tell me you were kidding! ::getting noxious::
romkey replies to micah
I don't always do as I'm told
micah replies to romkey
Damn you! I'm gonna have to find someone else to say it then.
Kristal_Rose replies to micah
He's kidding. T'was his very own snake giving ssssssssschglopppy green
hydra brained
schmooochies.
Prior to ssssucking sssshucking sssuuking their hot anvil wax gurggily
gone.
micah replies to Kristal_Rose
...not feeling much better...
Kristal_Rose replies to micah
... squeeeeeeeeall.... *LOL* *LOL*
Do you pray? 1.3.16
nasale
I don't exactly pray because I don't agree with organized religion.I am
still questioning what I do
believe because it changes with experience. I am tilting towards believing
in 'something more after
death' but I guess I'll have to wait and see what that is (or not)
Kristal_Rose replies to nasale
What does prayer have to do with organised religion? There are many levels
of death and birth, so
many available on this (somewhat) physical plane in this life. Why wait?
nasale replies to Kristal_Rose
I really like your way of thinking- and you're right. I appreciate the
fact that you give me pause for
second thought.
Kristal_Rose replies to nasale
Just thinking good thoughts to strangers is a form of prayer. As I bicycle
through town I choose
different sorts of prayers (mostly just spectral energy projections) for
each passing car.
After my 'dates' with my new girl friend I've had people yell insults at
me (I'm transgendered).
The other night after a date, I had some guy follow me to the market yelling
insults. He was next to
me in line where I just gazed into his eyes with what I might call Gebvurah
or Jesus energy. As I
exited the store he said 'God bless you', and I nodded to indicate 'that's
more like it'. My point is
positive energy can be quite a life saver.
Twistermime
I Prey
Kristal_Rose replies to Twistermime
Go get'em tiger. I do hope you mean stalk for positive rebirths if anything.
Vampire technology
ain't to different from the things I teach. Vampires avoid the source though.
Well, I could get way
into this topic, but I don't think it would benefit anyone here.
Kristal_Rose replies to Twistermime
I'm shouldn't be pushing you should I? You already keep the torch alive.
What lies have you told online?
Kristal_Rose
Dad was right, you'll never experience the karma of an angel by lying.
And there's never a
need to. Accept that God accepts you and operates the people you might
have otherwise
lied to. If you want to complicate your life and be stuck on a level of
reality where people
can't discern lies, be my guest though. Watch the people who lie; they
get it back yet think
they're merely reacting to a world where lying is the norm.
nasale replies to Kristal_Rose
Luv ya!
What is the best name for my new son?
heyzeus1 replies to Kristal_Rose
i have a cat named dammit
and others named mars, venus, and achilles
Kristal_Rose replies to heyzeus1
da mit, German for 'there with'.
My cats are Volt(aire) and Schism (a faction of a church). You could call
the whole collective
Cerberus or Siva Trimurti.
Kristal_Rose replies to heyzeus1 1.3.16
I was visiting an occult shop today (bought more books and oils) and someone
was looking for all they could on
Orion (sigels and such). My web site has mystical channelleing from Orion.
The first time I talked to Jesus face to
face was through the vehicle of a christian named Orion.
Kristal_Rose replies to heyzeus1
I was visiting an occult shop today (bought more books and oils) and someone
was looking for all
they could on Orion (sigels and such). My web site has mystical channelleing
from Orion. The first
time I talked to Jesus face to face was through the vehicle of a christian
named Orion.
heyzeus1 replies to Kristal_Rose
Cerberus is good, but i have four cats, not three.
what is your website?
Kristal_Rose replies to heyzeus1
ereIam.com - I'm preparing for a major overhaul. Click on the scarab for
what I'm calling orion,
though I think it's from cygnus actually. Not sure, I have to get someone
whor really recognizes
partial constellations and celestial energy phenomenon.
Yeah, I noticed the four vs three, but I couldn't recall any 4 headed critters.
My girlfriend has 4
cats too.
heyzeus1 replies to Kristal_Rose
How 'bout the TetraHydraCannabanation?
Yeah, cygnus is a great name too, I've always liked it. Didn't he represent
balance in Greek
mythology?
heyzeus1 replies to Kristal_Rose
Hey Kristal, interesting website, though I didn't see a scarab...
Kristal_Rose replies to heyzeus1
Go to the metaphysics section and click on the scarab or to the left of
it where it says Egyptian
Perfume oil and interstellar scans. That glowing blue thing is heiroglyphs
from the underside of my
scanning a scarab. (looks like the word laugh (laf)) I dont need any 4
headed water breathing
dragons to deal with any of this stuff, or truncated-icosododechahedrons
or other dinosaurs for
that matter; other people do to keep up with me though. Cygnus was a (black?)
swan.
Hydra is in Leo, Orion in Taurus, and Cygnus in Aquarius. Cygnus is the
swan which Zeus morphed into
to woo Leda, wife of the king of Sparta. My mother has a star in cygnus
named after her (my doing)
called 'moiras muse'.
LoveLight
Orion...he wants to be called Orion.
heyzeus1 replies to Kristal_Rose
tetrahydracannabinol=THC in marijuanna, i was still suggesting a name for
my collective, though I
don't smoke pot...
Rush had a song cygnus x-1 where they tell the tale of a man who builds
a spaceship to fly into the
black hole, when he reaches the other side, he becomes the god of balance...
But I didn't know cygnus was the swan. If Cygnus was the swan that Zeus
morphed into, then
wouldn't the swan have been Zeus?
heyzeus1 replies to LoveLight
I like Noah...
Kristal_Rose replies to heyzeus1
Why do you think I threw in the word breathing? I know all my colchicine,
light spectrums, etc. I had
a plant that grew in offset threes rather than offset pairs. Back when
I was 14, I used to play
Johnny appleseed at the school, library, and police dept.'s garden. I subscribe
to
psychopharmacology journals where for instance you find that there is a
CB2 receptor that
responds to two chemicals: THC and chocolate.
Yes, like Thor (lightening (& my birth name)) becoming Freya (aurora)
and other fun tales. I've
been working on that balance, and praying it's not a mistake. I danced
with Kali energy but still used
it to Siva ends. I've found myself surrounded by black holes when I became
an energy fountain. and
other balances of emotional propogation, etc. It leads me to believe that
I should seek that same
balance, or miss half my ultimate being. The going philosophy had been
to promote positive karma,
but I'm beginning to think parts of me are transcending the world as personal
experience.
Kristal_Rose replies to heyzeus1
Without Orion's, the Noah's wouldn't know where to take the ships the Bill's
patronize.
Have you ever taped songs off the radio? 1.3.16
micah
What's a radio?
Kristal_Rose
It was a mechanical device back from before people just passed along mp3's
telepathically. It too was aided by a crystal reciever.
msgman replies to Kristal_Rose
Excellent
micah replies to Kristal_Rose
Hehehe....Liquid crystal? Was it ever on display?
Kristal_Rose replies to micah
You be careful of those Gamma Ray Bursts.
If you were in a band, which role/instrument would
you MOST want to play? 1.3.16
Kristal_Rose
Just tonight I was in a guitar store. I was close to getting a Framus f-hole
acoustic bass with
humbucker. I hear they finally came out with my idea to use a digitizer
tablet to sculpt waves for
synthesiser sound effects. The guy showed me a guitar with pearl 'lucky
charms' he called them
and played a fairy minstral polynesian umma-gumma song. I was good and
am still waiting to pay off
my credit debt first. I want something similar to the f-hole but 5 string,
fretless, and lavendar
wood finish. I play a pretty mean harmonica already and used to play an
oak fender precision bass
with pearl inlays. My style is sort of blues, celtic, pirate, ventures
(surf), klesmer, hillbilly, swing,
boogie-woogie, impressionist. 20 years ago I came up with software for
live performance that still
wont be technically feasable for another 20 years. It was sort of a holographic
conveyor belt for
sculpting sounds, riffs, effects, etc. Creating icons for them (like a
bananna to represent your
Velvet Underground harmonic distortion chorus effect) and plugging your
virtual patch cord in at
any place including directly at the live-time gate of the conveyor belt.
I also want to play the saxophone. I bought one that will take way to much
work to restore.
I'd be playing lead and writing the songs. My voice sucks and my songs
are too amorphous, arty,
classical for words anyhow. I'd also be doing all the sound engineering.
I once played with a board
and got the music to sound like gold-dust angel flying through, my brother
can get quite a black
dragon crunch going.
Enheduanna replies to Kristal_Rose
I hear "blues, celtic, pirate, ventures (surf), klesmer, hillbilly, swing,
boogie-woogie, impressionist.
20 years ago" is going to be a Grammy category next year; you'd better
start recording now!
Do you sleep with any stuffed animals?
Kristal_Rose
Yes, Fergus, a siberian tiger, from my kids in Alaska. I also sleep with
two real cats, Urban tiger
doves.
Kristal_Rose
When I was a kid I had a mountain of animals on the bed. Either 'happy'
(a blue & white wind-up
musical pup from an easter trip to ojai, ca,us) or 'christmas dog' (50/50
Collie/Bulldog) would
always get to sleep at the head of the bed, the rest were rotated nightly
as the second critter at
the head of the bed.
micah replies to Violet
You beat me to it?!? Just because Violet is a more energetic wave than
my favorite color, green.
I'll just have to be ultra-violet next time. You're turning violet, Violet!
Kristal_Rose replies to micah 1.3.16
I'm not sure what you mean there, but I just got Violet and Turquoise hair
colors today. I also got a
violet eyeliner grease pen, and lo and behold, after all these years I
finally found violet mascara.
Ahhh, Hollywood. Those and spring green are my favorite aura colors
to project personally,
though I often stick to clear, white, and gold. Violet's also my favorite
scent.
Violet has violet christmas lights year round. I'm almost envious.
Would you prefer to be underdressed or overdressed?
1.3.19
I was at a party last night where I was wearing a long grey skirt.
At least my top was danceable, it even had a crystal beaded tassel fringe.
I did have to tear up Tara's clothes pile looking for a better skirt till
i realised that would be the black and white diamond leathar ultra mini
she just got at the goodwill. (I talked her into another wild `68 dress
too.) I was Kali as well as my usual Siva this time and Tara ended up sleeping
with someone else in the loft above me afterwards. Crazy karma.
Normally I like to overdress. Everyonce in a while I'll notice that
I'm the only dress outfit amidst 200 pairs of jeans though.
What is your favorite smell? 1.3.19
Kristal_Rose
Oils of violet and jasmine. In cooking perhaps pineapple, cloves, and licorice,
esp. in pizza sauces.
Spellbound and Liz Claiborne are my favorite perfumes.
Have you ever had the same dream twice? 1.3.19
SueBee replies to Kristal_Rose
Was that back before they blew up Jack?
Kristal_Rose
During. We had idiots drive up to the window screaming "where's the beef?"
too. The Tacos were
made of TVP (texturized vegetable protein (soy)). Being in Santa Cruz we
kinda had off the menu
selections for vegetarians besides. We'd substitute eggs or cheese for
meat patties on anything. I
used to cook grill singing "Tie me jumbo jack down sport, tie me jumbo
jack down."
What words describe your current romantic relationship(s)?
ARBORIS
The saddest thing about the words I have chosen to describe my relationship
- is that I ACTUALLY
STILL CONSIDER IT A RELATIONSHIP!!
I am in the midst of complete & total denial.
Kristal_Rose replies to ARBORIS
I can not see someone for half a year, and still deny that it's over.
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wavez2000
30, single, use to search, but quit, I enjoy life and if I find him I do,
and if i dont, i havent lost a
thing. I am content.
Kristal_Rose replies to wavez2000
Unless you live in a plane of sustained grace, I'd think it time you ask
the big chief for a favor. If
you have a life of lessons as most of us do, there's little more challenging
or rewarding as a
relationship. At least you've had the chance now to build love in casual
non-physical encounters. I
imagine that was one of the many justifications for celibacy. Does your
faith have an equivalent of
'see God in your spouse'?
wavez2000 replies to Kristal_Rose
I am conetnt..and i was engaged to be married, he was a jerk in the end..
god/big chief has given me
so much, im happy, i use to worry about wether i'd get married or not,
but ive passed that phase
and know that god has it all under controll. Yes i want my future spouse
(if any) to know jesus as his
lord and go to church..
When i was engaged to be married, in the beginning it was great, i loved
him and desired him,but
believed to wait til i was married, like i still do..he turned into a jerk
with no feelings other than
what was between his legs..if he really loved me, he would have waited..this
isnt to say i didnt "make
out" or things of that nature with him..i did love him deeply..but there
was a line i drew..i'd quit when
it got to heavy..why?? becuse i want to know that i did what was right
in god's eyes and mine..
so no there's nothing wrong with what im doing..and i dont need to ask
god for a favor..and i dont
have to have sex with anyone before im married. 30 or 80...it is all good
in god's eyes..and mine..
i dont need a justification for saving myself..or waiting..
Kristal_Rose replies to wavez2000 1.3.19
I don't think you understand much of what I'm asking. I too only had sex
with the woman I married
and one I at least thought I'd be marrying, and that is still my stance.
There is a plane of
consciousness/reality which is totally in the moment and all is your interaction
with God, no one else.
If I lived there permanently it would be alright to sleep with whomever,
but I do not. I live mostly
on the interpersonal time & history -based plane, where I make commitments
and ask the same of
my partner.
Whethar or not your partner accepts Jesus has little to do with whethar
you are able to see Jesus
manifest in others interactions with you. Sufiism for instance is heavily
about that, Christianity for
some reason has shrouded the grand scale manifestation of God on Earth
and within each other
practically since it's inception. Miracles are no longer, God can't be
experienced till you die, leave
the physical, and go to heaven. There are of course so many references
to the Logos and other
manifestations of God we could be interacting with still in the bible,
but most Christian sects
de-emphasise such presence. I was wondering about your sect specifically.
As to the justification
of celibacy, again I was asking you to second guess the motivation of your
faith. Christianity is
loaded with more tests than all other religions combined, things where
if you follow the
requirements diligently you will learn something new about your consciousness,
and find that the
requirement was more of a learning trick than some purposeless mandate
to be followed for it's
own sake.
Catholicism replaced people directly interacting with God, with interacting
with a hierarchy of
saviours, holy-men, sages, the pope, priests, etc. Part of that doctrine
included 'men' being subject
to God, and 'women' being subject to 'men'. The only virtue I see in that
system is it's admission
that God's will can be manifest through others. The hindu teach tales of
loving an army of demons
that come to defeat you and consequently their swords turn to flowers.
I'm sorry if I steer you away from personal issues to theosophic contemplations.
But I feel they
should be the same in the life of a responsible person on a holy path.
My basic question stands: Do you consciously interact with God, and can
you see folks like your
suitor as a direct result of that interaction, if not even a vehicle for
tho Logos itself?
My motive is not (too) judgemental. I know the mechanics of several paths.
When I discover the
exact flavor of yours, I'd simply like to provide food for thought that
might get you a rung up your
ladder. In the process, I might get a new understanding of what some people
do.
wavez2000 replies to Kristal_Rose
I just dont believe in sex till I am married, due to religous and personall
beliefs. If the man hasnt
accepted jesus as his lord..jesus isnt within his heart and life, I dont
compromise on that, nor do i
debate other's beliefs, i respect them, like i respect yours..I wont be
swayed or compromise my
beliefs. Thanks for your replys my friend..
Kristal_Rose replies to wavez2000
Ouchh! sorry.
I had your first point anyhow.
Aren't you at least allowed to examine and understand your own 'why's and
'what's by comparative
analysis? After all, the same book could have made you a Baptist or Christian
Scientist.
Kristal_Rose
Content, hmmm........
Do you feel that it is right to date someone considerably
older or younger than you?
Some say that that is just sick. Others believe
that love should have no age. What do you have to say?
star2b_ca
TO EVERYONE!
IT'S BEEN A FUN RIDE, BUT IT MUST COME TO AN END. I FEEL THAT I HAVEN'T
BEEN
ABLE TO COMMUNICATE WITH THOSE WHO PARTICIPATE ON MY SURVEYS. I CAN MAKE
EXCUSES, BUT NOTHING JUSTIFIES WHY I CAN'T WRITE ANYMORE. TIME IS PRECIOUS
AND, FRANKLY, I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH OF IT. THEREFOR, THIS IS THE END OF IT.
I WON'T BE CANCELLING MY ACCOUNT (MAINLY BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW) SO IF
YOU FEEL MY SURVEY IS A PLACE THAT GETS YOU IN CONTACT WITH ANYONE ELSE,
FEEL
FREE TO USE IT. HOWEVER, DON'T EXPECT ME TO BE WRITING BACK.
I WANTED TO THANK EVERYONE FOR HELPING ME SINCE OCTOBER 1ST (THE DAY MY
FIRST SURVEY WAS ISSUED).
JEMS, TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF AND KNOW THAT THERE IS MORE TO LIFE THAN GUYS.
KRISTAL_ROSE, YOUR ADVICE HAS GUIDED ME THROUGH SINCE DAY ONE AND YOUR
WORDS OF WISDOM ARE AN INSPIRATION. I KNOW I DON'T SPEAK FOR MYSELF WHEN
I
SAY YOU ARE EXTREMELY RESPECTED FOR YOUR WONDERFUL INPUT.
MAARTEN, REMEMBER THAT WHEN I BECOME THE FAMOUS STAR I TOLD YOU ABOUT,
YOU'LL BE THE FIRST ON MY VISIT LIST! A PROMISE IS A PROMISE!
MIREILLENS, GOOD LUCK, AND DON'T GIVE JEMMY TOO MUCH OF A HARD TIME. SHE'S
YOUNG!
IAMLOSER, THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR MAKING ME REALIZE THAT ALTHOUGH
SOMEONE DOES NOT LIKE SOMETHING I HAVE DONE, IT SHOULD NOT BE TAKEN
PERSONALLY. THERE ARE HITS AND THERE ARE MISSES.
SO, THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH. OH! I REALLY HOPE THE PEOPLE I MENTIONED CAN
READ
WHAT I SAID. IF ITS POSSIBLE TO SPREAD THE WORD TO THOSE PEOPLE (JEMS,
I KNOW
I CAN TRUST YOU TO DO THAT FOR ME). THANK YOU.
GOOD-BYE!
ANGELA VELLA
AKA
star2b_ca
Jemmy replies to star2b_ca
But not all guys are like that. I know it seems like it sometimes, but
they really are not all bad.
Kristal_Rose replies to star2b_ca
Dear Angela: I'd be sorry to see you go. I just read every one of your
comments and have an idea
why you're not communicating. Before reading i thought perhaps it was because
you weren't asking
questions; you didn't really ask me any. then I looked at your comments
and saw that in many ways
they were like my own. (and consequently I've just learned more about myself).
I could be wrong about you but I can at least give my opinion on how it
would appear you are coming
off to others. You have made this survey your pulpit. You speak sweetly
and thankfully with respect
and yet it seems you have come to spread your wisdom (as most often do
I). For a true teacher,
every direct teaching experience should be a learning experience. Not like
using a diagnostic tool to
put your subject on the map of your belief system, but to actually surrender
to seeing things their
way to the extent that you see that from where they're at, their decisions
and philosophies do seem
the most valid. In contrast it seems you ask questions as a launching point
to telling it as you believe
it works. there is another level of sharing yourself and others that is
more of a rough-housing than a
dry sweet love in concept. Build a rapport of trust with others that is
more IMHO than 'as i see it it
is', unless your certain of both your content and the receptivity style
of your Friend, and that is a
rare gift on this planet.
I also notice the winds of change waft strong in your white mirrored closet.
You develop an alarmist
sensitivity and hit the caps lock (which is quite disfavoured at SC it
seems). We are usually on a
cross-roads which involves not only the physical and ethical, but the perceptual
as well. As you
believe the world to be (by surrender, not insistence), so it becomes.
Half empty cups get spilled,
half full cups are savored. It would be a shame for you to leave without
finding the friends you
actually had lurking here.
I find myself speaking in poetic clichés which isn't quite my style,
and although you don't, I suspect
it is a common tongue I picked up in my efforts to understand your vibes.
I hope you give SC
another shot. I eventually had to leave my idealistic ivory tower and play
in the senseless dirt. But
there I found the pearls. Love, Kristal McKinstry.
Jemmy replies to Kristal_Rose
Okay, I finally understand what you were saying before about love, and
having to feel worthy. I was
watching Oprah, and it was about how you have to love yourself in order
for other people to love
you, and you don't need to constantly try to please others in order to
get there acceptance. That's
exactly what I've been doing. I feel like I'm always climbing, always trying
to please people so that
they'll tell me it's okay now, we love you. But I guess I don't have to
do that. I don't have to try
and make people love me.
Kristal_Rose replies to Jemmy
feel loved, be loved. Yeah. Do things out of love for others too, but if
you do it to try to have them
love you than that wasn't really love was it?. Keep it up and you'll have
orchestras of song birds
accompanying you.
Jemmy replies to Kristal_Rose
Yeah, now all I have to do is convince myslef it's true. It's hard to try
and change how you feel, and
change your habits after acting a certain way for so long.And it's hard
to move on when people don't
love you.
Kristal_Rose replies to Jemmy
Well, I love you and so do many others. Please do move on and get yourself
a little closer to the
secret of life. Real change happens through spiritual energy. You are the
most important part of
what you see and create around you. When were you ever inspired by someone
who did not care for
themself at all? Even if your goal was nothing but to make others feel
better, you'd still have to a
rich self to actually accomplish that. Eventually, if you connect highly
with God, you won't really have
to worry much about yourself anyhow; that part will be taken for granted,
freeing you to be a
selfless source of love. But that's a long way off. And even then, were
talking about living without
attachment, in contrast, you, you will always have around, so start there.
That means rest when you
need to rest, work when you need to work, play when you need to play. Most
often if you ask
yourself what God would want for you (within your environment) at any moment,
you will find that
people will actually go along with it too, even if you thought the rules
said otherwise.
Jemmy replies
to Kristal_Rose
I know people love me. At least, I think I do. I don't know, it's really
hard. I always feel like
they're better than I am, like I'm not worth their love, but I want it.
On Oprah they said you have
to find out what caused you to feel this way. I don't think anything caused
it. Living without
attatchment to what? Should I put my needs before other people's like that?
Kristal_Rose replies to Jemmy
Mostly just watch your motives. Don't do things because society or protocol
says it right, just do
the things that are right. If your helping others (and you should), do
it because you want them
helped, not because you think you should make sacrifices nor because you
wanted them to anything
about you what-so-ever. Take the top view of things: if it's much easier
for you to reach something
dropped, do it (like helping old people). Don't give away something you'll
need. God would consider
equally important as anyone else, not less, not more; and even then some
people willed their own
misfortune into being and shouldn't drain you. You should have plants and
music and some time to
write poetry or whatever makes you feel better without being hedonistic
(living for pleasure). The
most conscientious thing to do is to figure out what you enjoy doing most
that helps others the most.
There shouldn't be any reason for you to to be glum in the things you do,
but some of that is
attitude, meaning you will have to do things like clean the cat box, but
you might as well sing a song
and make the best of it. I remember one piece of advice was to run your
life like you were someone
else doing it.
I'm not sure what you meant by "Should I put my needs before other people's
like that?". There
are certainly times when you have to say no to people; Like for instance
if someone was trying to
keep you around because they were bored but you had productive things you
wanted to be doing.
Don't lift something that might get you hurt.
Were talking mostly about behavior here but the important thing is outlook.
Try this experiment:
get yourself real depressed, think about all the things that ever made
you cry or consider suicide
while listening to the radio. While you do this, write down all the miserable
lyrics that you can relate
to. Then cheer yourself up. Think about all the things that make you want
to sing and dance, and
again, get out your pen and paper and write down all the stuff now that
you hear on the radio that
sounds like your mood. You should notice that the radio played gloomy songs
when you were gloomy,
and cheerful songs when you were cheerful. Likewise, in such a supernatural
way, your friends and
strangers will also react. You have to be stronger than them and set the
mood of your environment,
not react like you do now. Even if you are listening to a friends troubles,
be the light shining down
upon them, not the shadow they cast, otherwise you help neither them nor
you. If you are doing your
best, you always have a reason to be cheerful. One main part of detachment
is not relying on
anything or anyone in particular for your satisfaction. Know when to move
on, and know that God
always has something good in mind for you. Individuals can always let you
down, though they are
great way for God to show you intermittantly how she cares. But it's karma
too. Karma is about how
you feel and think; that's what comes back to you. Tell someone you think
their dress looks great
(because you want to make their day better) and someone else will say the
same to you, give a buck
tip at a coffee stand (because you think the'll appreciate the tip, not
because you consider it part
of the price), and someone will swing by when your thirsty and ask if you
want a coke. But, if you give
your friend a soda because you want them to thank you or give you something
later, you're sure to
be let down a lot of the time. Then you might get down on yourself and
think things like "well, if I
just gave them the right stuff, they'd be nicer to me." Ain't gonna happen.
If God want's
"everyone" to be happy, what would she have you be doing? Neither selfishness
nor sacrifice.
Try that experiment with the radio. It will give you a taste of why it's
so important to your world
that you be cheerful.
Kristal_Rose replies to Jemmy
Just this minute, the spring equinoxe hit LA. The birds became quite chirpy.
Jemmy replies to Kristal_Rose
I meant that I always thought I should take care of other people before
I took care of myself,
putting their needs before mine. I know why I do that though, I like to
help others with their
problems so that I can put off solving mine. It is a lot easier to help
others than to help myself. I
get more enjoyment out of helping tohers than I do out of doing something
for myself too. That's
why it always hurts more when something happens to someone that I can't
help with.
Not relying on anyone or anything for satisfaction...that's interesting.
Especially because that is
exactly what I do. But what else makes me happy? I'm not satisfied unless
everyone else is, so how
can I be satisfied without relying on someone else to be?
I love telling people how beautiful I think they look. I know it makes
them happy. I don't really like
it when people tell me though, I don't believe them, or it makes me think
that that means I don't
look good every other day.
Sacrifice and selfishness often come hand in hand. I sacrifice things because
of fear of selfishness.
I'll try the thing with the radio, it seems intriguing.
I can't believe spring is finally here, I love spring! It is full of flowers
and color, and warmth, and
almost my whole family was born in april, and I love birthdays! I'm so
glad today is the first day of
spring. (9:31 this morning!) I dressed in spring colors. It makes me so
happy.
Kristal_Rose replies to Jemmy
I would imagine it was inherited from you parents. You can still enjoy
all the things you enjoy,
especially the people, just don't ever expect it, let it always surprise
you. I used to be like you; I
would even get depressed when people complimented me because I felt I didn't
deserve it. Tell
me why should Britney Spears or Bill Clinton deserve a compliment more
than you? In your own way
you try just as hard, and are probably even sweeter. Do what it takes to
think of yourself as an
angel, or at least a saint. Apparently spring makes you happy. You should
probably be working on
finding what makes you happy besides making others happy. You've been raised
on catholic shame
like I was (came from Ireland I guess, even if mom's family schucked the
religion itself). God made
you like you, not like like something that can't be attained, and you weren't
made to feel lowly,
second class, or dejected in any way. You should be a tribute to glory.
Look at the people you
admire; some might be mother Teresa's, others might be pop stars; some
are selfless, others
self-centered, yet you would still probably consider them deserving of
praise for their choice of
earrings or the way they rescued a kitten just as you should be. If you
can't love yourself exactly
as you are now, then at least there is something easily within reach you
could love yourself as, and
you can love yourself all along the way simply for being on that path.
Don't rely upon some goal
though before you feel worthy, because there will always be a bigger goal
than that when you get
there. As the buddhists are fond of saying "it's the path, not the destination".
Look at all those
christians who feel alive or righteous for no other reason than feeling
they made the right choice.
That you love spring is reason enough for me to love you and you to love
you. Love love, and find ways
to have it your in life no matter who, what, or where you are, no matter
who you're with, or even if
you're alone with a radio or paintbrush. Love love; ultimately it's all
the universe need consist of,
and it's always available. Do not worry if you need to see it by spreading
it or receiving it, and don't
ever turn down opportunities to do either. You'll be creating even more
love in others by being
better able to receive what others offer you, instead of looking down at
your shoes rather than
smiling eye to eye when you get a compliment. Even loving yourself takes
effort. If you look at
yourself as two people, god's subject, and god's servant (this is one religious
philosophy; I could
have phrased it as manty others as well) then you as a servant you could
do all your service of
putting together a nice perfumed bubble bath with hot tropical rain for
one of gods subjects who is
particularly worn and would much appreciate it, namely again, you.
Jemmy replies to Kristal_Rose
Wow. I totally understand and love every word of what you just wrote.
:-)
Kristal_Rose replies to Jemmy
You're welcome. Cool, I get to be personal Oprah to my internet niece.
Who were your role models when you were a child?
Kristal_Rose
Walt Disney, Leonardo Da Vinci, Thomas Edison, Albert Einstein, Spock,
Wrigley (only
because I wanted Catalina Island as my own country), captain nemo, and
when I was a
teen, sundry mystics, occult teachers, and spiritual leaders, and when
I went to
college, various artists in all media.
Biggles286 replies to Kristal_Rose
"Spock" Dr. or Mr.?
Kristal_Rose replies to Biggles286 1.3.19
Both, but 'Live long and prosper' was the one I was nick-named after.
Biggles286 replies to Kristal_Rose
You were nicknamed Spock? I'm not sure if that's a good or a bad thing!
I suppose it depends on
your perspective.......
bill replies to Kristal_Rose
fascinating
Kristal_Rose replies to Biggles286
Yearbooks signed "to the computer", back when we used sliderules in math
and barefoot professor
movies were all we had to go on. I can't say I was happy about it at all.
We had a paperback by
Nemoy called "I am not Spock" that gave me hope. (Sitting coincidentally
right next to the famous
book on child raising).
bill replies to Kristal_Rose
Didn't he also write a sequel to that book, "I am Spock".
You're doomed.
bill replies to Kristal_Rose
Seriously.... Spock is a pretty amazing character. The surface "unemotional"
Spock persona is a
ruse. The reality was that he possesses a strong/deep emotional side with
foundations in loyalty and
love. OK, I'm talking about a fictional character, but my point is that
you shouldn't feel bad being
compared to him.
Kristal_Rose replies to bill
I schucked the surface ruse when I changed genders. Have you heard him
(Nemoy) sing? "Bilbo",
"Fluke of the universe".
I think the weirdest thing I heard about Nemoy was that they had to do
a lot of make up because he
was tearing himself up motorcycling in the desert between shoots. Not only
did I act like Spock, I
also looked like him. I think that's why I grew my hair long back in the
6th grade. (but then that was
the cool thing to do anyhow then)
Now I relate to most of the crew, esp. 7of9, Janeway, Doctor, Tuvok, Kess,
and Chakote.
Weird, I had two dogs just visit my remote porch, a dalmation and a gordon
setter. Wonder how
they even got in the building.
bill replies to Kristal_Rose
I used to own a vinyl record of Nimoy singing "The Ballad of Bilbo Baggins",
among other things. I
recently threw it away, though I toyed with the idea of trying to sell
it on ebay. I thought it would
be better (for the world) if I destroyed it.
Did you have pointer ears as a kid?
Kristal_Rose replies to bill
I would have been glad to own the insidious thing. It was a collectors
item even a decade ago. I once
frisbeed a Beatles album (the Beatles with Tony Sheridan) that predated
their first official
hamburg release. I couldn't believe then that the real Beatles once sang
"My Bonnie" and "the
Saints".
I had the black bowl cut, but substituted webbed toes (Irish silkies).
My (step)dad was clearly a
cross between Dr. Smith and Uncle Martin. He had me doing circuits by age
5, studying energy
physics and cryptography by 8, and taught me every wierd and ancient religion
he could get his
hands on. I think it was partially in homage to him that I got my ministry
certificate. I figured you
had the album when I made the comment "Mr. 10 meanings must mean nothing
at all. Mr
BullBailBullBallBoilBellBilbo, only 3 feet tall. God forgive me." in the
survey "What's your attitude to
religion?" long ago about you. The synchronicity with twisty's Sam was
just an aside (you'll recall I
was trying for several layers of interpersonal metaphorical connection
/ significance with folks
back then).
Do you believe the press is biased in favor of
gays? 1.3.19
Kristal_Rose
So many shows and ads have pro gay elements that it has made me wonder
if it's part of a zero
population growth program.
bill replies to Kristal_Rose
Z
P
G
!
romkey replies to Kristal_Rose
but so many more have pro-straight elements, too...
Biggles286 replies to Kristal_Rose
What do you mean by "zero population?" Am I just being dense?!
Kristal_Rose replies to Biggles286
I didn't bother to put it in initials (ZPG) like bill did because it seems
the topic has been removed
from the public eye since the 70's. Zero Population 'Growth' means we should
only pro-create to an
extent necessary to maintain, not increase the globes population. That
seems to have been
facilitated since the 70's by several techniques: increased birth control
(including foods,
supplements, and unrelated medical treatments which have the same effect),
and a massive change
in values such that career is now more important than child-bearing and
educated women are
probably having kids ten years later now. Most TV shows had an element
of child raising back then,
now it's rare to see prime time role models even consider having kids.
Promotion of Lesbian/Gay
relationships is simply a further extension of that. And marriage... sure
they can sell some rings and
dresses, but it's nothing like the duplicate quantities of computers, stereos,
toaster ovens etc. that
can be sold when couples don't decide to get together. I've noticed billboards
in well educated
areas are very pro-family; those in poor areas are quite anti-kid. You'll
notice that 'Family Planning'
organisations like 'Planned Parenthood' (Geez, talk about your 1984 doublespeak)
are very
targeted.
Be sparse? or as it was said in the bible once "be fruitful..." *LOL*
What if....
Someone you know came up to you with a syringe
of heroin (you have proof that the needle is clean and that
the heroin is pure
and the correct dosage) and a briefcase of money. How much would have to
be in the
briefcase for you
to shoot up? 1.2.24
{Trinity Metaphors}
wavez2000
I'd laugh at the person and say "hey..i dont need no drugs..i got the father
son and the holy
ghost..dig it!!!" and walk off
Kristal_Rose replies to wavez2000 1.3.19
Could you explain those terms for us? If I told you I have Legos, Play-doh,
and an Acme
disintegrator ray, I don't think you'd be sold, or perhaps the Sattvic,
Tammasic, and Rajjassic
Gunas, or maybe Keter, Chochmah, and Binah. Why should I dig your earth
and drink your wine? I
want an ingredient list first. What's it made of? What's it do?
wavez2000 replies to Kristal_Rose
read the bible..enough said..
Kristal_Rose replies to wavez2000
I just gave you a cryptic answer based on some other cultures metaphors for the same stuff.
I read it every decade or so. God had me sit through someones testimony without teaching any the
other night (so I could learn the strengths & limitations of her experience I guess)(I am a
minister). Some texts from other cultures explain it much better. I just read Romans last night. I
read it primarily so I can explain things to who solely use a western vocabulary. God has shown me
much of the bible first hand, as either visions of history, or mystic events now. I merely wanted to
see how well you understood the forces of active and passive material and spirit forces of creation
and dissolution, and all things like the logos which lie between. Archetypal knowledge is my bag
though, and the method by which I hope to get people to merge with God. It's certainly not the only
method that works. Those terms above were hindu and jewish terms that predate the bible, and
toys and cartoons which are synonyms (& almost metaphors) for the greek from which your bible
was written. Do you speak with the Logos, or just consider it something divine to revere which you
have never encountered.
I dont care how well a person has remembered their trig formualas if they can't calculate the
distance between two water skiiers given two rope lengths and the angle between them.
Except when I'm in a high state and miss the ground level details, I generally consider the bible a
very depressing document likely to make people suffer, confused, and in the case of folks like me,
any religion is a step further away from god. Religions are doors or bridges, they go both
directions. The goal is to know God.
The point of my prior comment was really that your terms mean no more to that person on the
street than the alternative vocabulary did for you. I don't think my saying them would have helped
the person on heroin any more or less than yours.
read some more bibles.. it never hurts to know the similarities and differences between you and
your neighbors. keep in mind the not only the names, but even the strutures and conceptions and
achetypes will be different. The deeper you understand faiths, the more they become similar
however. Well good luck. Perhaps I shouldn't have picked on you, but I just hate to see people
drops names and terms without being able to illustrate them.
wavez2000 replies to Kristal_Rose
im doing just fine in my walk with christ, and i dont need to "illustrate" or "prove" anything to
anyone and im not persuing this arguement any further so let's just drop it..i know who i am
in christ jesus.
hat if....
*offensive*
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Someone you know came up to you with a syringe of heroin (you have proof that the needle is clean and
that the heroin is pure and the correct dosage) and a briefcase of money. How much would have to be
in the briefcase for you to shoot up?
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No amount of money would be enough for me to do this
7
I don't know
7
Somewhere in the millions
6
It would not require any money for me to do this
5
Somewhere in the billions
2
$100,000 or less
2
$500,000 or less
2
One million or less
1
$50,000 or less
1
$500 or less
1
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$1000 or less
0
$100 or less
0
I don't know what heroin is
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kirst
I have no desire to ever shoot up with heroin. Money doesn't even enter into the equation.
juliw replies to
kirst
I'm with you.
spidertea
I'm with both of you!!!
Chance
Sorry all. No amount of money could.
ASexyBabe
I think that some people would say they wouldn't do it just because they are afraid they
would get addicted. One time is all it takes it is instantly adictive.
albert
Assuming I was in the right situation, and L was with me, I would probably just do it.
albert replies to
ASexyBabe
Http://www.erowid.com nothing is instantly addictive, do some research.
Jemmy
...how much are you willing to give me?
kate
No way, no how!
Kristal_Rose
If it were legal and clinical, $500 would be about right to cover what I guess would be a
couple days of really having to focus. I've had a couple acquaintances who were able to
resist any addiction and one freind who spent years of trying to quit every 3 weeks for
years while holding a job the whole time.
romkey
I'm curious what the experience would be like, and how it compares with other
psychoactives. I think I have the fortitude to not not get hooked (no, it's not instantly
addictive, like any drug it requires repeated exposures to train your body to need it). I
wouldn't need to be paid, and if I wasn't comfortable with it, money wouldn't change my
mind.
Twistermime
I wouldn't do it for any amount of money
Enheduanna
I wouldn't do it because I'm pretty sure I'd like it too much.
BlueberryMuffin
As much as I want to scream "no, never!", several million dollars is an argument worthy of
consideration.
Kristal_Rose
replies to
spidertea
Impressive survey
I was just contemplating what it was to truly 'sell out'... succumbing to real evil.
Pooh_Bear
I don't know enough about heroin to make that decision. With one needle-full, are you
addicted for life?
they
I'd do it for 35,000.
spidertea
replies to
Kristal_Rose
Thanks.
ASexyBabe
replies to albert
I have known people that have been instantly addicted. I tend to believe friends more than
studies.
albert replies to
ASexyBabe
Not true at all, and believing friends over studies is silly. An addiction [Which, in its true
form [before the government anti drug people got ahold of the word] is physical.], by its
nature, cannot be caused by a single use of any substance. True, you may have LIKED it so
much that you wanted to do it again, but that is purely figurative and does not represent an
actual addiction, rather having more to do with the persons personality than the drug. "I was
addicted to sex". If this person goes on to do stupid things in the name of sex [although
generally it would be more difficult to do something classically labelled as stupid because
sex is socially acceptable and legal], or drugs, that is something having to do with you liking it
and not an ACTUAL addiction. Sure, after having used certain drugs, you are going to have
physical withdrawl symptoms that can be cured by using more of the drug, so you are
SLIGHTLY addicted. HOWEVER, the duration and severity of these symptoms tend to
increase exponentially with each subsequent use, and generally, a perfectly normal and
stable person with a healthy background and life, could be given a normal dose of a
substance in a clinical setting, and it is HIGHLY unlikely that they would continue to use that
substance.
The thing is,
1) Screwed up people are the only people who use drugs [-socially acceptable ones] once.
2) Screwed up people are the only people who are at high risk of addiction to ANY [-socially
acceptable] drug.
3) Addiction rates after first time use appear unrealistically high. First time users of heroin
are not representative of the general population, therfor, there addiction rates after first
time use cannot be applied to the general population.
Generally, if you are screwed up enough to use heroin once, it is not surprising that you are
screwed up enough to form an addiction.
Even in that situation though, abuse rates after first time use tend to be in the 10% range.
There are 10 people who have used heroin and do not abuse it, for every person who abuses
it. And the person who abuses it, had serious psychological problems to BEGIN with.
phoebe01
I'm too saintly to do drugs.
hildagard
I'd do any kind of shit with anyone anywhere. I'm not smart enough to see what's right and
what's wrong.
Kristal_Rose
replies to
spidertea
Was that your intent, or were you focused on the particular situation?
Kristal_Rose
replies to
hildagard
bs, your comment alone betrays itself. what you mean is you'll take the risky side of your
doubts, and don't care enough about yourself to contemplate your options down to how
glorious or miserable you could become. You haven't decided you want the best, but you can
discern better from worse. If you have people you envy or admire, that alone indicates that
deep down you have the right wisdom.
Lauren
NEVER!!!!!!! I'm not into drugs, and I don't think I could ever do it.
KelBel
No amount of money would make me do that.
Maarten
527.6 billion
jkiehart
Wait: I would get drugs AND money?? I've always had to pay for it, before. I'd do it for
nothing.
*covers head with hands and waits for moral backlash*
Mariah
I don't know. I would probably have to see the money first. I do enjoy a good high now and
then, but heroin... It's just so, so scary to me!!!
mary
I would not accept any money for this, cause if I really really liked it and wanted more and
had like $500,000 from it I would be doomed. Cause I would spend all that money on it.
Kristal_Rose
replies to mary
I didn't think of that.
Maarten replies
to jkiehart
You can buy excellent quality when you're here in Amsterdam!
jkiehart replies
to Maarten
Crazy, crazy Amsterdam!
How's the new digs, Maarten?
Maarten replies
to jkiehart
It kicks ass! I'm enjoying every single minute. I'll make some pics soon so you can see it for
yourself!
jkiehart replies
to Maarten
That'd be just swell!
micah
What is this "or less" crap. That means I could pick 1 million or less and wind up with 1 dollar.
wavez2000
I'd laugh at the person and say "hey..i dont need no drugs..i got the father son and the holy
ghost..dig it!!!" and walk off
Kristal_Rose
replies to
wavez2000
Could you explain those terms for us? If I told you I have Legos, Play-doh, and an Acme
disintegrator ray, I don't think you'd be sold, or perhaps the Sattvic, Tammasic, and
Rajjassic Gunas, or maybe Keter, Chochmah, and Binah. Why should I dig your earth and
drink your wine? I want an ingredient list first. What's it made of? What's it do?
supplicant
I have several friends who have been addicted and then got off it (and been clean for years
as far as I know)... but I'm not confident that I wouldn't get addicted. That said I'm sure
there would be a point where the gain would outweigh the risk and I'd take them up on it.
That point would probably be the point at which I could buy a house outright and have enough
money to live off and fund my own little rehab program for a while. A bit melodramatic I
know but I think I could get addicted very easily and I'm happy(ish) now; so why risk it for
nothing?
It would also probably depend on how it'd be injected: by me or a trained professional that
I trust? If the former count me out
Persephone
What?
Some people would actually ask for the money to try heroin.
I'd do it for free (did it already).
If the person is attractive, and is the prefered gendar, I would even ofer tosleep with him
if he'd like me to.
wavez2000
replies to
Kristal_Rose
read the bible..enough said..
Kristal_Rose
replies to
wavez2000
I just gave you a cryptic answer based on some other cultures metaphors for the same
stuff.
I read it every decade or so. God had me sit through someones testimony without teaching
any the other night (so I could learn the strengths & limitations of her experience I
guess)(I am a minister). Some texts from other cultures explain it much better. I just read
Romans last night. I read it primarily so I can explain things to who solely use a western
vocabulary. God has shown me much of the bible first hand, as either visions of history, or
mystic events now. I merely wanted to see how well you understood the forces of active and
passive material and spirit forces of creation and dissolution, and all things like the logos
which lie between. Archetypal knowledge is my bag though, and the method by which I hope
to get people to merge with God. It's certainly not the only method that works. Those terms
above were hindu and jewish terms that predate the bible, and toys and cartoons which are
synonyms (& almost metaphors) for the greek from which your bible was written. Do you
speak with the Logos, or just consider it something divine to revere which you have never
encountered.
I dont care how well a person has remembered their trig formualas if they can't calculate
the distance between two water skiiers given two rope lengths and the angle between them.
Except when I'm in a high state and miss the ground level details, I generally consider the
bible a very depressing document likely to make people suffer, confused, and in the case of
folks like me, any religion is a step further away from god. Religions are doors or bridges,
they go both directions. The goal is to know God.
The point of my prior comment was really that your terms mean no more to that person on
the street than the alternative vocabulary did for you. I don't think my saying them would
have helped the person on heroin any more or less than yours.
read some more bibles.. it never hurts to know the similarities and differences between you
and your neighbors. keep in mind the not only the names, but even the strutures and
conceptions and achetypes will be different. The deeper you understand faiths, the more
they become similar however. Well good luck. Perhaps I shouldn't have picked on you, but I
just hate to see people drops names and terms without being able to illustrate them.
wavez2000
replies to
Kristal_Rose
im doing just fine in my walk with christ, and i dont need to "illustrate" or "prove" anything to
anyone and im not persuing this arguement any further so let's just drop it..i know who i am
in christ jesus.
Kristal_Rose replies to wavez2000 1.5.22
Apparently I chose to misunderstand the underlying attitudinal intent of your comments, and considered it an invitation, however, you're quite right to drop this dialogue. It would be bad karma for both of us the way we are behaving. It's my nature to go through a persons testimony with a fine tooth comb whethar I agree with it or not. I dissect them like clocks to see what makes them tick, then copy any good part designs I hadn't encountered, and try to show them how my own handiwork operates. My philosophy is that everyone should know and understand every possibility. I also can't shut up. I apologize for being weary on you. I'll not get into comparative metaphysics with you again now that I understand how you contain yourself.
What do you believe is the ultimate way to get
revenge on a cheating partner? 1.3.19
Kristal_Rose
Bless their relationship.
Kristal_Rose
My-ex (of 7 years & 2 kids) married my brother. They're still my best
friends.
I had a deep two year relationship till recently with a woman who continued
her existing relationship
most of the while.
Kristal_Rose 1.3.19
My (I wish) girlfriend, Tara and I went to a rave at her neighbors apartment.
It got to that point
where everyone was pairing up to leave (and I couldn't find her) so I went
home (her place) took a
shower and changed, hoping that perhaps she might direct a lot of sexual
energy my way. I heard
her in the loft when I got out, she heard me too since I glimpsed her looking
out her curtain at me.
Then her and her one night stand had a few rounds together while I had
no choice but to listen. My
karma I suppose for even amplifying the kali energy I saw on the floor.
I quietly packed and left in
the morning, tears in my eye, when buses were running and was followed
by ascension of mary
energy. I had been hoping for quite a while to have a warm day to go to
the beach with her, this day
was warm enough but i wanted to go to purify myself further alone. She
called the moment I got
home, talked her way into accompanying me (we went to malibu to tan and
fly kites), arrived with
apology flowers. My theme song was one I had so disdained a week earlier,
Cher's "Do you believe
in life after love?" I looked away from her most of the ride, and instead
took on a new found
appreciation of Blondies "Heart of Glass" wearing some thin skyblue shades
she handed me. She'd
ask me backing up if it was clear, and I'd answer yes without even looking.
In spite of the fact that
she's known I wanted to marry her at first sight, and insisted that we
not talk about anything other
than sun, water, and sand, she still had to keep laughing about her latest
exploit to me. I definitely
feel like I failed to make a positive change here, but I'm not going to
take it personally. To be
honest she's been quite a bad influence, I was on that dance floor with
a lot of pissed-off energy
manifest as bullish stomping steps and such, because I resented that it
wasn't her I was dancing
with. I was definitely the raunchiest thing out there, outdoing all the
dominatrixes, cross-dressers,
and other folks with a lot of spiritual energy, years of theater dance
training, and an absolutely
anything goes attitude. It was far more severe than the art-party in which
I met Tara and made out
on the floor with another gal in time to the music for an hour with an
audience gathered. I'm just
looking for a Walton's relationship. Maybe I'm not. Why else would it always
be so crazy? Crazier in
fact with each new relationship; the married out of highschool actually
was sort of 'Waltons' for a
couple years.
Which of the following substances do you believe
to be an aphrodisiac?
Kristal_Rose
The halucinogens, including marijuana which oddly seems to be missing from
this
list.
There are also many herbs purported to be aphrodisiacs including ma huang,
gotu kola, and damiana.
It's been 25 years since I read that in Jeanne Rose's herbal, so I could
be off. I had neither
access to herbs nor puberty at that point to make it worth remembering
better.
Kristal_Rose
Bearded clams?
juliw
marijuana and chocolate covered strawberries, especially if I have both
on the same night
Kristal_Rose replies to juliw 1.3.19
No argument there. My mom served chocolate covered brandied fruits on my
marriage.
Strawberries with sugar, or blackberries with cream and sugar were a couple
first dates with
other gals.
juliw replies to Kristal_Rose
The chocolate covered brandied fruits sound delicious! We used to have
a restaurant around here
that served "tuxedo" strawberries. They would dip the strawberries in both
white chocolate and
milk chocolate, so they appeared to be wearing little tuxedos. Yum!
Kristal_Rose replies to juliw
Yum yum. The trick is to soak dried fruit. I have some thats been steeping
for a year now waiting
for the right romantic celebration.
juliw replies to Kristal_Rose
I will have to try to make them sometime. I wonder if it would work with
amaretto soaked
strawberries. Doesn't that sound good?
Kristal_Rose replies to juliw
Oooh, sultry. I think Ouzo would be better with strawberries, Amaretto
might be better with
cherries, creme de methe pineapples, brandy apples, triple-sec pears, scotch
rhubarb, rum
peaches, tequila mangos, vodka tangerines, in iced chocolate, in a hot
spring, with turquoise sand, on
a tropical mountain top.. you're not single are you?
Kristal_Rose replies to juliw
rum-coconut, hash, or poppy seed sprinkles as appropriate. Chocolate brandied-rose
petals would
be nice too.
juliw replies to Kristal_Rose
All of these sound really good(and you're right about amaretto going better
with cherries--and we
would throw in a few almonds in that one). The only one you mentioned that
doesn't sound good is
the scotch rhubarb. I don't like scotch. The turquoise sand sounds gorgeous.
Turquoise is my
favorite color. I don't know of any places that have turquoise sand, so
I will just have to die some
white sand. Yeah, I am single, by the way. I have never tried rose petals,
but the idea of dipping
them in chocolate. I heard that there is some kind of edible gold that
people use for fancy cakes
and stuff. I think dipping the rose petals in the edible gold would be
a very nice touch.
juliw replies to Kristal_Rose
I just noticed a typo. I meant to say that I have never tried rose petals,
but the idea of dipping
them in chocolate sounds great. I guess that's what happens when you have
to pay attention to
speed and accuracy all day long.
Kristal_Rose replies to juliw
It sure would. A friend gave me greek rose-petal jam that is out of this
world. I imagine it's simply
actual gold powder (wow, were getting decadently sumptuous ). I was
struggling to make the
scotch work too, though my renn-faire clan used to make a wedding beverage
from La Phroaig
single-malt scotch, apple cider, and cream that was fantastic.
Next question: anywhere near Los Angeles or somewhere I'd want to visit?
Kristal_Rose replies to juliw
I read it exactly as you intended. It wasn't till you pointed out the typo
that I noticed the words
were virtual.
Kristal_Rose replies to juliw
Pumpkin flowers are candied. I imagine all sorts of things are done with
flowers. I'm an amateur
perfumist of sorts. I read in as a child that a whole bathtub of rose petals
is required to make one
drop of rose attar. It'd be fun to see if crushing them like grapes for
wine helps.
juliw replies to Kristal_Rose
I have heard of the edible flowers, but have not gotten around to trying
them yet. In response to
your question, I doubt you would want to visit my hometown of Akron, Ohio
(about an hour south of
Cleveland, in case you don't know). I really don't know how they do the
edible gold. As for crushing
the rose petals into wine, I wonder if that is how they make rosehips tea.
I love rosehips tea.
juliw replies to Kristal_Rose
The rose petal jam sounds very good. A friend of mine made me this basil
jelly that is horrible. I
have had it for about a month, and tasted it once. One of these days, I
will have to dump it out and
offer her the jar back. She asked me once how I liked it, and I lied and
said I tried it on toast, and
it was pretty good.Shouldn't have done that, I know, but I didn't want
to hurt her feelings.
juliw replies to Kristal_Rose
Oh, one more thing! What kinds of perfume do you make? Is it pretty much
alcohol mixed with
flowers and extracts? When I was in high school, I had this kit that came
up with a cleanser base,
and you could mix whatever you wanted to make a cleansing cream. Mine was
cucumber and pear
mixed.
juliw replies to Kristal_Rose
Well, I am signing off for now, because I worked for ten hours today, and
have been at SC for a
couple of hours tonight, and my eyes are getting a little tired. I'll look
for your replies tomorrow.
Kristal_Rose replies to juliw
It's been sweet. A charity case here has been absorbing my time I would
have rather spent with
you. Pure gold is unlikely to react in the body. I meant crushing them
into attar, an ourrageously
expensive concentrated perfume oil dew. I have many jellies. I was fond
of a licorice-mint variety
made by monks in northern california. You're right, I've never been interested
in Ohio. I just mix
pure essential oils. I can totally imagine you in pear and cucumber. Perfume
requires steam
distillation processes. It takes 1500 pounds of blue chamomile petals to
make a liter of perfume
oil. We'd never afford them if they came from the U.S.
Visit my site, www.ereiam.com and see my listing of oils. I'll make you
something. Well, sweet
dreams.
[See "Can there be morality without a belief in the divine?"]
Where is the most uncomfortable place you have
ever had sex?
juliw
the bathtub-nowhere near as much fun as I thought it would be
Kristal_Rose replies to juliw 1.3.19
I was sort of swimming in a clawfoot tub full of ice between dances the
other night. It was at the
neighboring apartment of my girlfriend who was setting out to find a clawfoot
tub that week.
Oak hot tubs under the stars are much better.
Have you ever had a practical joke backfire?
Kristal_Rose 1.3.20
I remember when I was a teen and a bunch of other teens seemed to me to
be treating a toddler
like a dog, so when the ball rolled my way I too tossed the ball to the
toddler, but instead of saying
"go get the ball" I tried to show them my interpretation of their behavior
by saying "Go fetch". I
got some really despicable glares out of that one.
Kristal_Rose 1.3.20
OK, now I remember my practical joke story.
At age 16 I was at the beach with my 5 year younger brother and his friends
(drove them to an
overnight camp out). I recruited one to help me with a pit trap. I would
lower him in by his ankles
and we dug it quite deep. I gathered twigs and plastic from the hillside
to cover it, and then we
built a delightful castle around it with seashell ornamentation and even
a stack of shells to lure the
creative, non-destructive types. We waited in the get-away car (a Datsun
260 Z 2+2) and two
young boys started charging towards it. They paused and we wondered what
went wrong; then they
charged full steam and leaped in the air. The first one vanished instantly;
the second flailed at the
perimeter in wild distress before becoming consumed as well.
I landed an emergency hospital case of poison oak from head to toe and
all sensitive places
inbetween that had me tying my arms to the bedposts at night, and feeling
the effects a couple
weeks later on a camping trip through mexico. It turns out that the sticks
I used were poison oak.
This was long before I had a good grasp of karma obviously.
Kristal_Rose replies to BrianW 1.3.20
Brian, I got to get some sleep since I only stayed up for the equinoxe,
but right off I can suggest
that you didn't get that job 'playing fetch' because you set your sights
too low. I myself got low
enough a couple months ago where everything had fallen apart in much the
same way. Finally I was
passing out and never leaving the house. Asking god for what I needed (mostly
the company of an
inspirational friend) pulled me out of it. All I can say for the moment
is it's all between you and God.
The jobs and family and all that are only secondary manifestations. I've
seen many people change
their tune for the better when I stopped falling into their tragedies.
Unfortunately my son lives with an alcoholic dad (my brother), and has
been talking about getting a
similar job. I'll have to make sure things are alright with him. If it
turns out you are running some
parallel, I'll turn over my cures to you when I come up with them.
BrianW replies to Kristal_Rose
Brian, I got to get some sleep since I only stayed up for the equinoxe,
but right off I can suggest
that you didn't get that job 'playing fetch' because you set your sights
too low.
I applied at a different movie theatre than the one I worked at before.
With prior experience
you'd think I'd get hired. Nope. Walgreens, Good Times, Pizza Hut, Safeway,
King Sooper
(supermarket chain), Wal-Mart, Sam's Club, Subway, Blockbuster, Ann Taylor,
Virgin Megastore,
Bath & Body Works, Barne's & Noble, SoundTrax (electronics store),
the Sierra Club, Denver
Public Library, Journey shoestore, The Audio Book Store, Russel's Convenience,
Mile High Comics,
it's Your Move (gaming store), 7-11, the Downtown Denver Hilton, and every
radio station in Denver.
These are all places that never even called me back! I was underqualified
to sell bath beads, put
things on shelves, ad nauseum. I couldn't even get janatroial work Kris!
I couldn't convince someone
to hire me to clean toilets for god's sake. And that's WITH prior experience!
Can you imagine how
bad this would be if I had none?
Kristal_Rose replies to BrianW
There are several things going on. For one, for most of these you are actually
over-qualified, and
people have many practical and sociological reasons not to hire someone
over-qualified. Mostly it's
your attitude though. What a drag. I wouldn't want someone on my crew that
didn't think themself
worthy of scrubbing toilets. I want them to expand the company and pay
for my house in
Amsterdam or Rio. I wouldn't expect you'd try at the moment, even though
you could. "I can" and
"just do it" are massively powerful mantra's. You have to take on responsibility
for your well being
that can't be measured on a résumé. It's not what you're
doing, but what's running through your
mind. It actually seems you made some great choices, particularly the gaming
store and radio
stations. I found in a town that small that your best bet is to build an
ongoing rapport with the
proprietors, showing up every couple weeks till they give you a chance.
Interpersonal stuff is what
lands 80% of jobs, and certainly any worth having. Think, who would you
rather hire if you were the
game shop owner, someone who will take any job they can get, or someone
who's dead set on being a
fantastic game salesperson. It is worth your effort to write not only a
cover letter, but actually
totally tailor your résumé to the job you really want; make
them believe it. Don't waste you time
with Walgreens; life is short.
I just looked through my files and found documents I've written on writing
résumés and finding
work. I used to teach résumé writing and word processing
and have had success getting through to
COO's and VP's of companies you know without the formal education and background
that might be
expected. If I can find your email (save me some effort, huh?), I'll send
you some of that. Much of
it is founded on a fantastic book called "What color is your parachute"
interjected with what I
found works and is really going on out there. It's advice to land you a
dream job, and won't be of
nearly as much help applying at Walgreens.
BTW, I too played "look how hard I try losing" for awhile. It's all attitude.
BrianW
For one, for most of these you are actually over-qualified,
Yeah, but a boy's gotta eat, you know what I'm sayin'?
I wouldn't want someone on my crew that didn't think themself worthy of
scrubbing toilets.
Actually that's what they seem to think of me. In the only other interview
I actually got I was very
good with posture and attitude. Then I never heard from them again.
I found in a town that small
Samll? Denver? I've lived her emore than half my life. I know for a fact
we are nothing even
resembling small.
Kristal_Rose
What's Denver 80,000 200,000?
Do you have a dozen gaming and comic shops to choose from? Probably not.
If you can't look the
proprietors of the few shops there in the eye, you best leave town. You
don't get it. You're
interviewing them, not the other way around. Act like a robot and be treated
like one. If you're still
at w_b@h.c I'll send you some stuff unless you don't want it.
Even if you only want to pay the bills, still better to spend a day on
one resume for a job your ideally
suited for than a day sending 20 covers to jobs in which your just a face
in the crowd. Do some
statistical time cost and probability analysis and you'll find that you're
still much better off
concentrating on a dream job.
Kristal_Rose
Another way of putting it: You are unconsciously hypnotising them to agree
that you are far less
than you potential when you should be hypnotising both them and you to
believe that you can do
anything you want. Ask twisty or a dozen other folks here (and avoid the
dozen that will tell you life
is a lousy crap shoot).
[See "Should same sex couples have the right to marry legally?"]
What is the SR-71 Blackbird's top speed?
Kristal_Rose 1.3.20
3.2 I'd guess, Around 1780 mph?
We were buzzed by a couple of them out in some nevada ghost town, apparently
in or near the
Nellis Air Force base I now see on the map. We didn't hear them coming,
they were less than a
couple hundred feet above us, and the noise rocked everything. It scared
my two year old son so
much that he was afraid of anything noisy such as toilets for a couple
years.
How do you, as an individual, define "evil"? 00.10.12
Kristal_Rose
Evil is the obstruction of joy. It takes forms like encouraging distrust,
destruction, and limitation.
Control of others philosophy of self-empowerment is the worst ie. pushing
addictions or claiming
people are worthless or have no shot at enlightenment on earth are some
of the worst.
I've seen a 13 year old singer who just got signed that week aggressively
singing "You losers, pump
me" at a party I went too. I talked her afterwards and she had developed
a split personality; she
was an innocent stuffed animal kind of girl who was unaware of how she
performs on stage. I had
one evening in which almost no matter what I typed into my search engine
revealed more and more
severe war technology involving genocide, and the transformation of mankind
into a gold based life
forms capable of withstanding matter-reprogramming nuclear blast waves.
I've seen angelic people
immersed in visible red-energy hatred relationships. Evil takes many forms.
If it intereferes with
love of self, society, god, and all creation, it's evil.
joalis
It's probably bad intent. Oblivious type rudeness isn't evil, but intentional
rudeness is. Breaking
something on purpose is evil. Breaking something on accident and neglecting
to apologize isn't.
Kristal_Rose replies to joalis
So murder, rape, and pillage is not evil if done by religious zealot's
in religious battle on soulless
heathen's? Presuming they believe these people to be in league with satan
and are cleansing for the
sake of virtue.
A secret organization protecting the planets eco-sustainability by selective
population
reduction..Evil?
Developing viruses without asking who your clients are or what purposes
your R&D will serve.. Evil?
Suggesting that a new theory, nuclear fission, might be used to stop Hitler,
but might melt down the
planet (uncertain till tested).. Evil?
Using that technology on a warring archipelago after Hitler was no longer
a threat to prove to the
world your might as a nation.. Evil?
Accepting the philosophy that ethics and morals are hinderances to practical
and realistic success in
todays society.. Evil?
- Creating jobs or teaching detachment from material things by breaking
things or designing
disposable goods.. Good?
Making someone seriously contemplate their stance by being strategically
rude.. Good?
Breaking something on accident is neither good nor bad (though I don't
believe in accidents), but
failing to apologize demonstrates a lack of compassion, which certainly
isn't good, and in my eye's is
the root of the proliferation of evil.
I imagine the average criminal can justify their behavior as being righteous
given their
circumstances, or they probably would have sought alternative means.
Are psychopathic criminals evil? If feelings don't exist or reality is
a delusion, then no behavior is
really bad.
The seed of evil in the hearts of men is a subtle and contagious thing.
It is obfuscated by
justification, dispassion, takes the form of revenge, not caring, being
led into despair ones self, or
becoming angry or bitter. Everything short of living each moment and interaction
with out being,
feeling, or expressing the depth of your love could be considered a shade
of evil.
- Reverance for the manifestation of creation before our eyes. Manifesting
wih love. No time for
regrets or anger at anything.
It is possible.
joalis replies to Kristal_Rose
OK, so maybe some of your examples were evil. I have a habit of making
too broad of statements.
- I'd have to disagree on two of your statements though. Failing to apologize
is not evil. Depending on
the circumstances, I might even say that refusing to apologize isn't even
evil. It might not
demonstrate anything but being in a hurry or believing you have nothing
to fell sorry about. Your
other point, making someone seriously contemplate their stance by being
strategically rude, I'm not
sure what you mean by that. If it means dropping nonverbal hints to change
someone's mind or
behavior, I'm all in favor of that. It makes people think of things you
didn't have to tell them. It
does someone a favor. I don't think you need to be rude about it, but a
lot of people think it is rude
(in itself) and I'm not really sure why.
Kristal_Rose replies to joalis
I'm just saying 'could be', I don't think being rude as a cynical jest
to reflect to someone their own
behavior is the route to go. they've probably had plenty of that karma
already and mistook it as fuel
for the fire, not a lesson. You shouldn't feel sorry when you apologize
(or ever, for that matter),
forgive yourself and don't do it again. The apology is to convey your compassion,
sympathy, and
empathy to the victim. It's traditional to be the main one to that if you
were the cause. If you ran
over your neighbor's cat, your apology helps prevent them from feeling
that the world is a
miserable uncaring place, and clarifies that you did not intentionally
run over their cat. To
accidentally cause such harm without ever apologizing would make this world
much grimmer.
Following a philosophy that makes this world a darker, less caring place
is evil.
Twistermime
I don't. There is no evil...no good...just human....
Kristal_Rose replies to Twistermime
I don't believe you.
Are you telling me you have no preference for the quality of your experience?
Have you perhaps
reached a state of surrender, knowing you are taken care of? Is it all
for the good now? or
amusement or karmic returns?
Pain and misery are still possibilities. For anyone short of full realisation,
there exists the possibility
of having 'another' deprive them of anything including their liberty or
soul. Ultimately this will come
to pass, but when you bring in the word human, you're still hinting at
time/space dynamics.
I would like to know in great depth what you mean by no good or evil. Perhaps
we share a common
philosophy. I am guilty of releasing all sorts of terrors, then conquering
them. The latter makes it
creation, if it were just the former, I'd have to call it evil. You're
awake now, will I regret it when
you come into power, supposing you do?
joalis replies to Kristal_Rose
I follow a philosophy that makes life more realistic and efficient. It's
not darker or less caring, it's
simpler. I'd prefer that apologies were always implied. If you know something
is an accident, that
should be enough to shrug it off and move on.
Kristal_Rose replies to joalis
You sound like me a few years ago. My thank's were generally implied as
well. I felt that my
appreciation of a gift would be apparent in my interaction with and exaltation
of it. I felt that
apologies and thanks that were not heartfelt were superficial and worse
than no recognition at all.
What I later learned was that the incidents and gifts were incidental props.
That the true
opportunity was to add value to each other's lives through words of appreciation
for each other,
even if you might incidentally add that you actually hate orange sweaters.
Ten years from now, the
orange sweater from your aunt won't matter, that you were able to look
her in the eyes and smile
together will.
Twistermime replies to Kristal_Rose
The answer to everything you just asked me is in you. Listen. Remember.
- Good and evil are mere illusions that bind us to what we believe is real.
Twistermime replies to Kristal_Rose
Simply be. Do not judge anything. Do not say anything is good or anything
is bad, because if you say
you are good then that also means you are bad because bad is the balance
of good and equates to
you having duality. The god within you is not a duality. It is the perfect
alignment of itself.
- Ramtha said this.....and I am trying to acheive this. I am happier than
I've ever been. I walked in the
forest yesterday and listened to nature. I listened to myself. I embraced
a tree and felt its power
from its roots below the ground straight up and out the top shooting towards
the sky. A beautiful
vibration. I realized how far removed I have become from what its natural.
From what is real.
- To me the truth is, my truth is....There is no God.
- I am god. In here. Inside me. Inside you. No flowing beards and rules
and laws. Just light and love.
- I had to walk through the shadows to get here. I had to hate and I had
to despair. And I did. These
last couple of years were black for me. I embraced it. I needed it. I felt
helpless and I hurt and I
needed to express that. I Hated. Hate made me feel powerful and untouchable
but it was killing
me. It was a reflection of the hate I had for myself. I mirrored it outward
towards most humans. I
saw them as stupid and worthless. I was cruel if not in actions then in
thoughts. I had to go there to
reach here. I have come full circle. I love myself. I am naked, real, awake
and unfearful. I need no
walls now, no masks, no shadows to hide in. I am joy.
- I have found my perfect lover..............life
joalis replies to Kristal_Rose
You don't need words to add value to another person's life.
Kristal_Rose replies to joalis
No you don't. It's a conveient media. As is physical reality. You could
choose to bypass operating on
the physical plane, but what would it's purpose be then?
Kristal_Rose replies to Twistermime
Was the land of the shadows your first phase of awakening, or what you
awoke from? For me it was
my second phase of awakening, and I still make visits there. Love for myself
or anything made my
world bloom. I never really tasted hatred like you have, and what I did
have was mostly low
self-esteem. I get irritable to the point of seething and snapping when
I am not in harmony with my
inner guide (such as advice is not forthcoming, or worse, misleading).
I had to take up drinking to
get my brother to find work, there are other times I have had to compromise
taking on things I
found distasteful to inspire a reciprocal positive change elsewhere. You
are right, the more good I
am, the more evil becomes my shadow, in my ego state. In my non-ego state,
the world is a
reflection of my own condition, hence compassion and joy are still my preference.
I equate joy with
good. Are you saying that you find joy in play and suffering alike, or
that you merely stop judging
and are left only with the reflection of your own joy? Have you attempted
relishing manifesting
destruction yet?
{I act like I don't know what you are about, in spite of the fact that
I feel what you are about, and
am just trying to put my finger on something tangible in words, ya know
what I mean?} You say
non-judgement, see neither good nor evil, yet you seem to exhibit a preference
for self-love over
self-hatred. I see that in terms of your duality argument, yet self-love
is no less a duality of
perception and creation than is the flavor self-hatred. I think your philosophy
could be phrased "Do
as thou wilt", a slogan scientology borrowed from Crowley. My ministerial
slogan, should I choose to
inherit it, is "Do only that which is right", which is wildly up for interpretation,
potentially running the
gamut from heaven on earth to total-genocide & nano-propogation of
distant stars.
What if I had a storm obliterate your house? I don't do that kind of thing,
and in my current state
I'm sure it would reciprocally come back to me. But IF I did, would you
pass judgement on that?
Am I reminding you of what you experienced years ago? You've reached a
state of god-hood.
Consider now polytheism in which the capacity exists to infringe upon others.
For one, that brings us
right back to mundane physics as a viable platform for equality.
I dreamed you awake, you are dreaming me challenging you to define your
world view.
My girlfriend / soulmate was awake while fearing evil and practicing "do
as you wilt". I wouldn't
have thought it possible. I had made false presumptions of the prerequisite
philosophies and
attitudes required for awakening. You seem to be halfway between her world
view and mine. I am
'all is for the good, you create your own enemy as an impetus for creation',
you seem to be 'there is
no good or evil, nor enemy, follow your bliss', she was 'pray for good,
fight fire with fire'.
I think the means of determining where you stand, is to ask what would
be the explanation of an
enemy and what could it achieve?
I dare to think that when you hear a car shout 'focus', that you have left
behind a disconnected
observer reality in which someone simply wanted you to move, and that that
shout came from your
unified reality to you (still a duality, but quite useful) and also expressed
a higher more personal
meaning of 'focus'. I doubt you have yet lived in the realm in which that
other person is another
individual entity, but has chosen as part of the collective to say something
to you at that higher level.
I don't know if you are juggling world views of '1st person', 'narrative',
etc. When you write to me,
am I a script you had in the back of your head earlier, am I you as you
think now on the fly, am I a
tete-a-tete with god or your higher self, or am I the person Kristal, and
if so do you believe me to
be independently consciously in tune with your internal script, out of
the blue, or in tune only
because of laws of synchronicity?
Me and them -> Me and it -> I -> We (I)
Which is it Gurl? Love K
Twistermime replies to Kristal_Rose
My life is taking on the glimmer of simplicity
I just have to be
that is all
nothing complex
just
self centered
fearless
loving all that is
I have no enemy
You are me
We are god
Can you feel that?
There is no death so I have nothing to fear
Strip me bare
take my "things"
kill my loved ones
leave me for dead
whatever...I now know my truth.
Thank you for your words...my eyes love them
joalis replies to Kristal_Rose
I don't exactly understand what you mean. I lived most of my childhood,
adolescence and young
adulthood using as few words as possible to convey what I wanted. I always
found that to be more
convenient. I've never liked to waste my breath on things that I could
say with actions, gestures
and such. People who don't like to talk should be able to fit in just as
well as those who don't mind.
That's one reason I find formalities in language so uncomfortable. I say
'Thanks' instead of 'Thank
you' and I'd prefer to go the long way around something rather than say
'excuse me.' I'm
digressing, I know. I just think the whole world would be better off if
we just didn't have so many
expectations of other people. If you never expect an apology, you won't
feel offended if you don't
get one.
Kristal_Rose replies to Twistermime
That's the top end and a great way all right. Complications along the way
can be entertaining though.
You live in one of the best world's I've been to. You know you are one
with the eternal script and
therefore can put tracking total conscious authorship of the script on
hold indefinitely without
repurcussion. I couldn't stop at that point, though I see merit in it.
TellerChick
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Kristal_Rose replies to TellerChick
You have a protected life if that's evil.
Kristal_Rose replies to hildagard
I quite disagree. If evil is the desire to corrupt or destroy good, then
I'd say it's not in everyone
and can be eradicated by not touching evil in the first place. Evil is
a reaction to evil having touched
you. If you can remove all traces of being touched by evil, even as a victim
of compassion, then
there will be none left in you. It's a very advanced state of being, I
would say for the most part
that you are right, few people reach or maintain that plateau, and the
rest must simply not act upon
tinges of evil conception. (unless of course they want to pay the cost.)
hildagard replies to Kristal_Rose
You are right, but I'm not sure that everyone are able to do it.
Kristal_Rose replies to hildagard
I don't know, I suspect that some of those prison salvations are legitimate.
If even one person can
flush out evil, then why not all? I do doubt most of them are likely; it
would require years of
unprogramming, motive inspired by a new world view, good teachers, etc.
And even then, I believe
some people are written to be evil on purpose. Some, to overcome themselves,
others to keep the
game going and allow others to be contastingly good. But I'm just making
excuses. I've seen first
hand a few times plateaus in which everyone and everything around you is
good. If enough people
could maintain that we'd have a heaven on Earth. I haven't met anyone that
saw an equal opportunity
for good and evil, yet chose evil. I can't stand to hear the way my neighbor
kids act with each other,
but they act great at my place. They know that if they can't get along,
they get kicked out. I was
teaching them piano yesterday. I find them all something to do; when we
had to take turns, one of
them got to run the timer. I also train them from the first moment to teach
each other. Good is
empowerment; in contrast I suspect at their home that evil is the only
self-empowerment, and good
is merely it's absence.
hildagard replies to Kristal_Rose
But think in this way, world would be stupid without evil. What makes the
whole plot in the 80% of
the movies? The bad guys.
Kristal_Rose replies to hildagard
It's occurred to me. I like a just safe level of confronting demons, but
if you'd ever experienced
that divine grace for a few days straight, you'd be wondering for the time
how you could have ever
thought that. Actually you'd be wondering later; divine grace doesn't have
room for even
considering such junk. And that state is like stupid, nothing to worry
about whatsoever, just love
and let the best happen around you.
Should same sex couples have the right to marry
legally?
BrianW replies to brodycog
You're working under two assumtpions with that statment. 1: That I believe
in God. I don't. 2: That
there IS a god. There isn't. Next argument please?
Kristal_Rose replies to BrianW 1.3.24
So brian, ya still in 'woe is me', 'wallow' mode? ya never sent me or even
commented a 'sure, why
not' on those 'make jobs happen' techniques.
Kristal_Rose replies to BrianW
Yeah, you're a pathetic loser. Life sucks, and it's certainly all hopeless
for you. Ya happy now? :-)
BrianW replies to Kristal_Rose
No, I'm much happier now. Now I'm worried about my Dad having been fired.
Kristal_Rose replies to BrianW 1.3.25
How far will it go Brian?
BrianW replies to Kristal_Rose
Well, the life of everyone is this family has been on a down hill slide
since November.
- 1: I tell a girl I'm inteested in pursuing a romantic relationship, and
she not only rejects me becasue
of mya ge (I was 18 (19 now), she was 23), then rubs in my face by fliritng
with every guy we run
into (we worked together).
2: I stupidly quit a job only because my managers were harrasing me and
the stress was causing
body order problems that have yet to reverse themselves.
3: My Dad steals my hard earned money. More then $1100, including Christmas
and Brithday money
I got from my Grandmother.
4: The house gets sold without our consent. This is followed by a rent
increase that stresses us to
the financial brekaing point.
5: My grandfather gets in a car accidnt, and the Sundance, which had been
so loyal to us over the
years, ends up ebing scrapped.
6: My aunt has surgery on her hands, resulting in a further stressing of
the financial situation by
way of lost time and wages.
7: The insurance company tries to screw us. Upside: We got the bastards!
8: My uncle's girlfriend has a miscariage. They recently started negotiating
their break-up.
9: A place I applied for job wise is willing to hire me; for less than
I made at the theatre for only 3
days a week. My share of the rent is 400/month. With that job I would've
made little more than
200/month.
10: My cousin Becky is in the lunch room at school, when a girl she knows
has aa seizure and dies.
Another child ran to the school nurse who did nothing. becky herself ran
out to get help and the
teachers put her back in that cafeteria. Finally Paramedics arrive but
it's too late. They didn't even
think to check her neck for obstructions, as it turns out was the cause.
If I were that child's
parents I'd sue the fuck of tat school.
11: My dad gets in a car accidnet, and is fired the next day.
- How can ANYBODY be positive in a situation like this?
Kristal_Rose replies to BrianW
That's not really what it's about. You'll be amazed what can happen when
you find your connection
with the universe, and you have a good picture of what happens when you
reject it. Sorry your path
is so tragic. Rethink who you are. It wont be easy.
How many of ya'll actually have jobs?
Kristal_Rose
Not I. Half a dozen career possibilities all of which I have education,
skills, knack, etc. for, but I do
everything in slow motion and no one wants to pay for that. I'm therefore
heading towards things
like illustrating my own books, creating gallery art, working in a think
tank, or anything else in which
there is little "production volume : time" ratio concern.
Praying things into being and maintaining precedents for positive human
interactions is my job at the
moment. I believe that I influence every register clerk and telemarketer
I converse with.
I am trying to work up some estimates for building artists websites. I
have to time making a second
one and research the competition next.
Kristal_Rose replies to kate
Schucks, ya aren't not oughta be usin' "ain't" then. Din't yer mammy holler
that one at ye a time 'r
two?
spidertea replies to Kristal_Rose
How do you support yourself if you don't have a job?
Kristal_Rose replies to spidertea
$760 month until I figure out what I can and should be doing. I just went
on a vision quest of
several tribes and a hike through sacred native grounds, so i haven't slept
in a couple days.
Someone I just met has renewed my direction for the moment: land and people
should support
themselves, so I have to make some presentations quick, I've been nominated
to advise on LA
housing. A lot's at stake. I want to bridge between grassroots and what
admin could be. Please
understand I'll have to leave SC for a couple days, starting about now.
Kristal_Rose replies to spidertea
40,000 on the program, 150,000 on the waiting list, and it seems that I'm
the only one on the board
with access to the plan and the ability to understand it. 200 pages of
policy, where a single line
might say something like "We do not adopt federal guidelines on affirmative
action." They sure
didn't mention that in their presentation. They passed around the book
for 20 minutes while talking
then asked "any feedback?" I had them transfixed for quite awhile speaking
on "procative
collective nativisation". "Fruit trees in unfenced yards", co-habitation
and household charters
contracted through existing housemate referral services (could triple clients
served), internet
kiosks to trade dog shampooing for brake service or floral arranging, with
no profiteering or
overhead to increase the quality of life while reducing the cost, ultimately
to nothing. "Paths to
land-people co-sufficiency". I have a lot of work to do now.
Have you ever been in love with two people at
the same time?
Kristal_Rose
A couple times.
The last time I was waiting a couple years to see which one I'd marry.
I kinda proposed to both of
them, and they both broke up with me.
Back when I was a married guy (at the 4 year point), I suggested an open
marriage. She did my
housemate/best friend/co-worker the next day. At the 7 year point, she
left me for my brother (I
now have a 5 year old niece ( ay today)). I just asked last night if she
would have stayed with me,
had I not been wandering in spirit at the 7 year point; she answered that
it was really over at the 4
year point when I suggested I was looking for something more. I had been
obsessed with her best
friend for a dozen years, all through our marriage, and intensly, a couple
years after.
It sounds fine in theory, but I've still never really seen it work. Both
my latter girlfriends had been
seeing others, and I was even able to be friends with their other SO's,
but still, I don't
recommend it at all.
hildagard
I never ever loved anyone.
The only feeling I am able to have is pitty.
Kristal_Rose replies to hildagard
For yourself I presume? Yeah, it's pretty tough to love in that state.
Accept a wind of change. Let go, love and be loved. When someone throws
some warmth or charm
your way, react likewise, not with, self-pity. You'll find though that
self-pity was a safe cocoon, that
the real obstacle to overcome was fear. Your world will change though.
Most people are as loving as
you'll let them be.
Stable life, or wild life?
Kristal_Rose 1.3.24
Wild, but I want both. I've had both. I rewrite myself every few months.
I always require profound
substance, but I always like new flavors and methods. One can be Zen at
a rave or Out of control
on the farm.
I would really love a life-long partner to share constant change with.
Can there be morality without a belief in the
divine?
Kristal_Rose
Of course, the old golden rule, "do unto others as you would have them
do unto you" works for the
betterment of society and builiding personal relationships, no god required.
I would even go as far
as saying that many spiritual beliefs can screw up a persons morality.
On one hand, karma (positive or negative minded), pentinence, righteous
fear of god, hoping for
heaven, etc. thinking are all accounting systems that don't truly directly
lead to love founded
interaction with society. On another, once you've found your prayers answered,
especially in the
form of pure internal joy, then you are more free to give without need
or expectancy.
I like myself to live as if I had a grand view of it all, and have myself
act on behalf of the best for
the whole. I do of course take care of myself, and also keep in mind that
many people aren't
receptive to help.
micah
Yes. Along with immorality with belief in the divine.
Zang
Yeah. I suppose, but it isn't the same. To use an architectural metaphor,
it is like trying to build
something without a solid foundation. A morality based on atheism would
not withstand as much
stress. It is far too easy to rationalise ones misdeeds when following
a philosophy of nihilism, or
existentialism. If everything is ultimately meaningless, how is is possible
to cause harm?
romkey replies to Zang
I'm not sure the absence of The Divine precludes meaning. Things are ultimately
personally
meaningful if not universally meaningful. You still think you exist...
and that's essentially "good
enough". You probably want to be treated in a certain way; you can figure
out that if you treat other
people in a certain way they'll treat you the way you want. That can give
rise to a system of
principles and agreements as to how to treat one another, without dependence
upon a big invisible
bully.
- I don't know if it works but I like the idea.
Kristal_Rose replies to Zang
I contend that existentialism is a form of divine thinking, and it leads
to either karmic 'treat your
mirror well', or to vastly paraphase you, 'I am the ultimate eternal deity
anyhow, so who cares?'.
Of course even 'big bully is watching you' thinkers can get all sorts of
conceptions going like
"animals haven't souls, gays are satanic scourges, etc."
Zang replies to Kristal_Rose
Ah yes! All part of life's rich pageant! :-)
juliw
Sure-morality just means rightness or wrongness of character. So, I would
think you could have
good character and still not believe in a divine being. I don't know for
sure, though, because I do
believe in God. BUT, that doesn't necessarily mean I have better character
or better morals than
someone who doesn't
juliw replies to Kristal_Rose
I agree with you about following the golden rule, but I do believe in God,
and it kind of gives me
hope. By the way, I went to your webside, and found it really interesting.
You did a very thorough
job of laying it out. I liked the bird sounds, but my cat was going nuts.
She got on top of the TV(I
have aol-tv) and batted at the screen. So, I will have to back to the website
to explore it a little
more.
Kristal_Rose replies to juliw
I'm a minister (sort of new age). I believe in many religions, and unquestionably
in God. But that
wasn't the question proposed in this survey. I work with people at whatever
level they're at. To
have aethiests roaming around is unfortunate for them (i could even argue
that though), but we
certainly don't need immoral aethiests or brimstone preachers around.
juliw replies to Kristal_Rose
I assumed when the question said a belief in the divine, it meant a belief
in God. I really believe that
people can have "good" or "bad" morals regardless of their religious beliefs
(or lack there of). And
I think is the real question proposed in the survey. The only reason I
even mentioned my belief in
God is because I really meant I can't know for sure how not believing would
affect your morality,
since I have never had that experience. I know my wording is kind of awkward,
but I can't think of
another way to get my point across. I certainly agree with you about immoral
atheists and brimstone
preachers. I guess what it boils down to is people have to do what they
truly believe to be morally
right. And, I know people could argue that maybe a murderer or rapist truly
believes what they do
is right.
Kristal_Rose replies to juliw
I didn't have my awakening till I was 25, until then I didn't have direct
constant evidence of God,
and only had a few random paranormal events. I had really high moral standards
until then,
afterwards I aspired to saint and angel levels of ethics, went celibate,
spent much time in
meditation, prayer, service, etc. I stay in touch with spirit to see how
worldly I should be. As the
years pass, I keep getting better at integrating them both, but I have
been on a lower plane for
the last couple years. I am beginning to possibly see the virtues of miseries
and strife and
disasters and such. But I still don't want to leave the good side myself.
I do things like teach the
neighborhood kids, buy tons of baby shower gifts for a neighbor I don't
know, pray away accidents,
etc. etc.
juliw replies to Kristal_Rose
There is some merit in miseries, strife, etc. because they help me to appreciate
the good things
even more. I, too, try to do things for others.
hildagard
What?
Kristal_Rose replies to juliw
I'm sure you do. I got a good feel for the complete package pretty quick,
and it's that white energy
that attracted me, balanced with brandied chocolates was too good to be
true. I'll have to see if
you have any clones in LA,CA.
Kristal_Rose replies to hildagard
What what? you wanna talk? or ..
What?
juliw replies to Kristal_Rose
Let me know if you find one, and thanks for the compliment. Hey, you forgot
the amaretto cherries.
That was fun!
Kristal_Rose replies to juliw
That's what I meant, and you know it. It started even fresher than that,
I was just emphasizing
range.
And yes, t'was a blast, anytime.
Hypnotism
Kristal_Rose 1.3.27
Tara say's not to take what she say's on quick moments seriously because
I'm 'projecting' thoughts
onto her. I once regained awareness to find I had just been answering Tara
with words of her
choosing; I didn't care for that one bit, but it did make me take her accusation
of what i do more
seriously. My next question to her a couple weeks later was "how then do
I tell the difference
between a persons natural inclination and my influence." All she offered
was "It's not real until they
throw their body on you", which isn't even how i define a relationship.
Kristal_Rose replies to Twistermime
who me?
I just got this urge to visit you :-) :-(
Twistermime replies to Kristal_Rose
:-) :-(
far away :-(
Kristal_Rose replies to Twistermime
If I ever get a car again I'll be sure to swing by.
Twistermime replies to Kristal_Rose
I'll make tea!
Kristal_Rose replies to Twistermime
What kind?
Twistermime replies to Kristal_Rose
Market Spice...It's yummy!!!!!
Kristal_Rose replies to Twistermime
Wow, that is tasty, thanks. all those woodsy herbs. Who make it?
Twistermime replies to Kristal_Rose
It is a product from a shop in Pike Place Market.
Kristal_Rose replies to Twistermime
Olong & pekoe, licorice root or star anise, tangerine peel, dandelion
root / comfrey / clover,
blackthorn, chicory, cloves, heathar, mullien, fig, pepper, ginger, pennyroyal,
solomons seal, yarrow.
Does that aproximate what I'm tasting?
Kristal_Rose replies to Twistermime
& some apple. umm...
What are your favorite shapes?
Kristal_Rose 1.3.27
Paisley.
What about ovoid, bean, rhombus, trapezoid, cartoid, truncated-icosododecahedrons,
stellated...
...drons, and my favorite.. paisley forms. There are various stella including
the washington monument,
and that of the 2001 movie it the form of a draedl or kabbalistic tree-of-life
with 9 points of
sephiroth and 32 possible paths (like the creation story) connecting them.
That's a pyramidal box
with a pyramid top. I have some really fancy geometry that couldn't be
described easily also based
on 3d molecules of the tree. Protein crystallography would be a fantastic
pursuit.
Caduceus (double helix snakes)
Kristal_Rose 1.3.27
I also have tons of pyramids around the house, I used to make all sorts
of fancy intersections of
ovoids, boxes, curved step accordion staircases, in drafting, sculptures,
and custom sheet-fab A/C
work in Citroëns.
drdt
I am particularly fond of toroi.
Kristal_Rose replies to drdt 1.3.27
Bad cop, no doughnut.
If you found a baby on your doorstep, what would
you do?
Kristal_Rose
Keep it. I've been dreaming that might happen.
Twistermime
I'd dress it like a monkeeeeee
BrianW
OK, all those who didn't think Twist would say something about monkeys
raise their hands. *cue
sound of crickets as zero hands are raised* Yep. Figured as much.
Zang replies to Wicksy
Mmmmm....kinderwurst!
Twistermime
I'd send it to romkey in a cardboard box
.....with the appropriate breathing holes of course
romkey replies to Twistermime
yikes! you're a much better mommy than I'd ever be!
Kristal_Rose replies to Twistermime
Take it out of the box before you punch the holes through, and line the
bottom of the box with
clumping kitty litter. See, I'm a good mommy too.
Twistermime replies to Kristal_Rose
*LOL*
they replies to Kristal_Rose
*LOL*